C500P initial impression

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Well, the C500P was added to my system today.

I've been living with the MDA1000 driving the amps and the subs through the Bryston active crossover and have been very happy with the results and overall system balance. Dynamic, resolving and detailed but not to a fault. The tonal balance, timbre, harmonic richness, texture are all spot on to my ears, no grain, no edginess, no hash. The upsampling and gentle filters do wonders to your average and no so great recordings, making them more listenable and tolerable. Great recordings sound, well, great like they should. :music:

If it wasn't for my recent interest in vinyl playback, I would have been happy with the MDA1000 as a preamp.

I've auditioned the C46 and C2200 in my own system a while ago, neither of those preamps really turned me on. Neither did anything grossly wrong, the C46 sounding full and on the warmer side of neutral, the C2200 sounding leaner through the upper mids and exhibiting a bit of tube glare. The MDA1000 was a clear winner.

The MDA1000 being a "purist" approach to a preamp is tough to beat. The analog domain volume control and lack of unnecessary switches and circuits in the audio path make for a very transparent preamp. The C46 sounded veiled by comparison and the C2200 just did not have the same coherence and tonal balance top to bottom.

My main concern was that by adding a preamp, the system will take a step back. This would have to be one heck of a preamp not to hold the performance of the MDA1000 back.

Having auditioned a few very highly regarded preamps, such as the Lamm L2 Reference and the VTL 7.5 by visiting a few guys with different systems recently, I was not prepared to live with the compromises again. I am not sure why people put such emphasis on tube preamps, "the tube magic, the tube warmth", etc... I've owned a few tube preamps myself, BAT, ARC, Audible Illusions, CAT SL-1 and have heard a bunch more, while all different from each other, the SS preamps I have lived with offered just as much performance with none of the drawbacks such as hiss, noise, tube rush, microphonic tubes, uneven tonal balance from top to bottom...:dunno:

Having reviewed the C1000 review and reading the specs and measurements and realizing that the SS version of the C1000 offers quite a bit better SNR performance as well as there being a difference in the phono stage, I decided the C500P would be the way to go for me. :yes:

Well, that brings me to the C500P. After warming it up for better part of the day, I sat down to do a little critical listening. I am happy to report that there is nothing much to report over the MDA1000 built in pre.... :D

The C500P is dead quiet, no hiss, no noise, no hum. Floor noise is virtually non-existent. The music emerges from a deep, black velvety background, the dynamics are preserved, resolution is superb, there is no noticeable veiling, the overall tonal balance is very similar to the MDA1000.

The frequency spectrum is very balanced, there is no bloat or thinness anywhere from deep bass to the highest highs. Vocals soar, the preamp does not add any chestiness to the male singers, it does not make them sound congested or nasal, it also does not lean out the female voices either, there is no ethereal, unnaturally airy presentation here. The sound simply exhibits the proper amount of weight, fullness and impact. Soundstage is preserved and in no way compromised. Micro and macro dynamics exhibit the same performance level as before. Harmonic content is within normal and natural limits, the preamp does not shortchange the leading or trailing edge transients. This preamp is neither euphonic or syrupy nor unnaturally thin or harmonically threadbare. It is just right.

It kind of reminds me of the "Goldilocks and the tree bears story". Not too hot, not too cold but just right.... Not too soft, not too hard but just right.. :thmbsp:

What else can I say? If there are noticeable changes while it breaks in, I will follow up. As it stands right now, this is a world class preamp. :music:
 
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Great review ! You and Dan both are fantastic at articulating your observations when it comes to reviewing your Mcintosh equipment. Mcintosh should post your review on there website. Congrats. on your new toy, ENJOY :thmbsp: Just curious what is the difference between the C1000, C500 and C200 ?

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Great review ! You and Dan both are fantastic at articulating your observations when it comes to reviewing your Mcintosh equipment. Mcintosh should post your review on there website. Congrats. on your new toy, ENJOY :thmbsp: Just curious what is the difference between the C1000, C500 and C200 ?

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Great review ! You and Dan both are fantastic at articulating your observations when it comes to reviewing your Mcintosh equipment. Mcintosh should post your review on there website. Congrats. on your new toy, ENJOY :thmbsp: Just curious what is the difference between the C1000, C500 and C200 ?

David
C200 was the flagship preamp, the C1000 was the next gen flagship, the C500 offers a little less flexibility than the C1000 such as tubes or ss but not both and the 3D faceplates. Ask Ron what he think the difference is between the C1000 and C500. You can also do some research outside this forum.
 
If it wasn't for my recent interest in vinyl playback, I would have been happy with the MDA1000 as a preamp.

So what I'm hearing you say is that this preamp hides nothing and adds nothing to what the MDA1000 does. Some might consider that boring...others may consider that the perfect preamp.

So you gained flexibility including vinyl support. Can you think of some other positives you have gained since the addition of the C500? Volume control? Others?

jc
 
If it wasn't for my recent interest in vinyl playback, I would have been happy with the MDA1000 as a preamp.

So what I'm hearing you say is that this preamp hides nothing and adds nothing to what the MDA1000 does. Some might consider that boring...others may consider that the perfect preamp.

So you gained flexibility including vinyl support. Can you think of some other positives you have gained since the addition of the C500? Volume control? Others?

jc

Yes, depends how you look at it. I guess it could be boring for someone who expects some kind of a techno-color magic band aid. This is usually not the case with top notch preamps. I'd rather have the pre-amp neutral and select the front end, amps and speakers that bring me listening enjoyment through synergy. This way I know what's going on upstream with other front end sources like a turntable and downstream with amps and speakers. Of course others may like to use the tone controls and other signal altering paths such as tube rolling to add spice. To each its own. :yes:

In terms of gains, Volume control is an improvement in smaller increments. Headphone amp is very, very good. The phono stage should tide me over for now. There may be more and I have to explore them.
 
Of course others may like to use the tone controls and other signal altering paths such as tube rolling to add spice.

Yes to tone controls and tube rolling :dammit:
 
Congrats! I love mine. It may be the most expensive piece in my system, but it was worth every penny in terms of sound improvement over the C220. It was as if I had upgraded my two sources. Indeed, had I spent the same amount of money on sources, I would have been very happy. But now I know that when I do upgrade to a better source component, my preamp won't "get in the way."

Again, congrats!
 
One of the things I like about the C220 is that the "color" it may add to the music sounds really good. It I wanted pure neutral then playing the MCD500 direct to the amp. would be the way to go ie no external preamp. When i played my MCD500 directly into the MC252 it seemed to lack something, it did not have the same synergy the C220 has with the MC252 . With records I am very happy that I have tone controls to adjust what is lacking in the recording. I guess that is why they have different flavors of ice cream; they for the most part all taste good but everyone likes something better than the other. Having said this, I am happy for those with the C500 .
 
One of the things I like about the C220 is that the "color" it may add to the music sounds really good. It I wanted pure neutral then playing the MCD500 direct to the amp. would be the way to go ie no external preamp. When i played my MCD500 directly into the MC252 it seemed to lack something, it did not have the same synergy the C220 has with the MC252 . With records I am very happy that I have tone controls to adjust what is lacking in the recording. I guess that is why they have different flavors of ice cream; they for the most part all taste good but everyone likes something better than the other. Having said this, I am happy for those with the C500 .

Not sure how the MCD500 built in pre compares to the MDA1000 pre. :dunno: If you are happy with the C220 in the loop, then that is the way to go. Like I always say, "whatever gets you closer to music". :yes:
 
Congratulations Serge, and thanks for the initial review.

I look forward to your reading about your longer term experience and - of course - a report on your vinyl adventures.

Alberto
 
Congratulations Serge, and thanks for the initial review.

I look forward to your reading about your longer term experience and - of course - a report on your vinyl adventures.

Alberto

Thanks Alberto.

If I get a Raven two, I can setup 2 arms and a mono cart on one of them. The mono feature of the C500 will come in handy. :yes:
 
Sorry to have disappointed those who were expecting a C500 to bring some kind of miraculous improvement. I call it as I hear it. My intuition told me that the MDA1000 is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to its built preamp and I guess that intuition was right on the money.

I was hoping the C500 would not drag the MDA1000 down and I am not disappointed. :thmbsp: The C500 is a very transparent amp. I guess the McIntosh mission, to build gear true to the music without imparting much of a sonic signature showcases their effort here very well. I've got to say that most other preamps I've owned and heard had a little more sonic signature and that includes the pre-amps below the C500 from McIntosh as well. I have not heard the C2300 or the C220 though.

I still think the MDA1000 is one hell of an audio bargain. A superb DAC and a superb preamp for those not needing analog inputs but requiring a multitude of digital inputs for music servers, music streaming like Sonos, Squeezebox, etc... :thmbsp:
 
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