Mystic
We're all born mad
Be careful ... while tearing the can holder is great, tearing your shoulder tendon(s) and/or rotator cuff(s) is not.
Sincerely,
- A powerlifter who has learned the hard way more than once.
calling all Brits - please support my petition
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Be careful ... while tearing the can holder is great, tearing your shoulder tendon(s) and/or rotator cuff(s) is not.
Sincerely,
- A powerlifter who has learned the hard way more than once.
Quadman2
Lunatic Member
Well, I walked the talk this day.
I phoned "Pepsi" (1-800-433-2652 USA) and shared some of the POV's already shared on this thread....and some of my own.
The Front Ender was receptive to my opinions/comments/suggestions and she in turn gave me feedback that there is a study underway, but it is more in the way of bringing about a biodegradable plastic. There was really no change in direction, other than to make the plastic more recyclable and to break down easier. The name of the company who makes the plastic ties is "Loop Industries".
In our conversation, I stressed need to change either design or material that holds the beverage cans together. She understood my POV's, but I had the feeling that there would be little change in the plastic as it will still be used. Once agreements, contracts are in place, only money brings about change.
Personally, I believe nothing will happen until there is a wave in numbers that is going to bring about change. AK has somewhere between 200k+ members, and as a group we could and can wield a tremendous clout if required.
We all know that money is the bottom line, but then too, are the potential buyers who are spending money for certain products.
Are you prepared to "walk the talk"?
More info to come in the near future as I receive it. And I've been promised it!
Q
I phoned "Pepsi" (1-800-433-2652 USA) and shared some of the POV's already shared on this thread....and some of my own.
The Front Ender was receptive to my opinions/comments/suggestions and she in turn gave me feedback that there is a study underway, but it is more in the way of bringing about a biodegradable plastic. There was really no change in direction, other than to make the plastic more recyclable and to break down easier. The name of the company who makes the plastic ties is "Loop Industries".
In our conversation, I stressed need to change either design or material that holds the beverage cans together. She understood my POV's, but I had the feeling that there would be little change in the plastic as it will still be used. Once agreements, contracts are in place, only money brings about change.
Personally, I believe nothing will happen until there is a wave in numbers that is going to bring about change. AK has somewhere between 200k+ members, and as a group we could and can wield a tremendous clout if required.
We all know that money is the bottom line, but then too, are the potential buyers who are spending money for certain products.
Are you prepared to "walk the talk"?
More info to come in the near future as I receive it. And I've been promised it!
Q
the skipper
Professional Curmudgeon
Can't really help y'all with your petition but for years we've been cutting the loops before tossing them.
It's heartening to see such a positive response, even from those ineligible to sign the petition (or maybe especially from those ineligible).
Vermont was the first US state to ban the plastic rings in 1977, so it's shocking that we still have them here in the UK. I'm convinced that banning the rings would be a great help for the UK environment and UK wildlife. Unfortunately, that would still a lot of other plastic pollutants to deal with, but it's a start.
Anyway, thanks again.
Vermont was the first US state to ban the plastic rings in 1977, so it's shocking that we still have them here in the UK. I'm convinced that banning the rings would be a great help for the UK environment and UK wildlife. Unfortunately, that would still a lot of other plastic pollutants to deal with, but it's a start.
Anyway, thanks again.
had 'cuff surgery feb.18, 2020.....not from can holders.....rt hooks, heavy bag........now 100% again......
not to hijack thread, but, yes, shoulder surgery rehab is....extremely painful....im being more careful.......eh,back surgery april 2nd next week.....
usedto
Lunatic Member
Oh, the irony.
I remember in the 60s and 70s, the activists here in CA jumped on the bandwagon to halt the lumber industry, and cited the use of paper bags and like containers as part of the problem. Pepsi, Coke, and multitudes of products came in paper based containers, as well as grocery bags and take-out coffee and beverage cups. Laws were passed to replace them with plastic in order to save habitat for the spotted owl.
With the new restrictions, the lumber mills were forced to shut down. Now, most of our lumber and like products are imported from Canada. In the meantime, the dead trees in the forest that used to be harvested, are left behind. Add a few dry years and an occasional lightning strike or trees falling on power lines, and we have massive forest fires. There goes the spotted owl habitat, coupled with an invasion of the barred owl that is a predator of the spotted owl.
Save the spotted owl, kill thousands of other animals instead.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
I remember in the 60s and 70s, the activists here in CA jumped on the bandwagon to halt the lumber industry, and cited the use of paper bags and like containers as part of the problem. Pepsi, Coke, and multitudes of products came in paper based containers, as well as grocery bags and take-out coffee and beverage cups. Laws were passed to replace them with plastic in order to save habitat for the spotted owl.
With the new restrictions, the lumber mills were forced to shut down. Now, most of our lumber and like products are imported from Canada. In the meantime, the dead trees in the forest that used to be harvested, are left behind. Add a few dry years and an occasional lightning strike or trees falling on power lines, and we have massive forest fires. There goes the spotted owl habitat, coupled with an invasion of the barred owl that is a predator of the spotted owl.
Save the spotted owl, kill thousands of other animals instead.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
that's why i said what i said. When i was growing up, we were already recycling glass and everything else was paper, which of course was degradeble.....but, "oh no!" we had to stop all that.
absolutely correct, but you'll probably get "canceled ".
In this country we used to have milk in glass bottles delivered to our doorstep on electric vehicles. Next day, more milk would be delivered and the empty bottles taken away to be re-used.
Since then, we have "progressed". Now we all drive to a supermarket to collect milk in plastic bottles, and then drive home again. If the empty bottles aren't thrown away, they're taken to be melted-down into raw material to make more plastic - a huge proportion of which somehow ends up in rivers and oceans. This is progress.
"The Island of Garbage in the Pacific is Already Bigger Than 3 Countries"
https://www.maritimeherald.com/2019...e-pacific-is-already-bigger-than-3-countries/