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Calling All Motorola Consoles!!!

Here are some board photos. Way above my head. I put everything back the way I found it and will probably call a few vintage audio places this weekend to see about having it diagnosed and fixed.

I did "kind of" get the turntable working. The tire wheel is in rough shape but with a little manual spin to get things moving it works just fine. I will also have that replaced and refreshed.





 
Motorola X300 Console -- Upgrading Turntable

I hope I'm in the right place---or let me know where would be better to post. Thanks in advance for your help...

I have a Motorola x300 console and the turntable died. I wanted to upgrade anyway. I bought a technics sl-3200. The console has male RCA that went into the old turntable as well as a small power clip in. I used female-female adapters and put the Technics RCA to connect to the console.

The sound is there but awful and not the quality at all of the console's speakers which sound excellent on the FM. What am I missing here? is this RCA connection the issue?

I hope to keep the console. Your advice please.

Thanks.
 
Your Technics table likely has a magnetic cartridge, which means you need a phono preamp between the phono and the receiver. Phono pre's can go from relatively inexpensive to many hundreds of dollars, but in this case I'd probably use something in the 'under $20, solid state' range, like what is sold at the Voice of Music audio enthusiasts site.

RWood
 
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Here's my 1961 Motorola model SK78MA. It's called the Triune and everything on it works, except for a few of the lights under the knobs and Vibrasonic.
 
need help identifying console

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can help identify my Motorola console. It is a rather small one, and seems on the cheaper side judging by the cabinet build and one piece hinged top. The label on the back is faded, and I can't find any like it in pictures online. Using the manufacturer's stamp on the bottom of the turntable, it appears to be a '62-63 model.

I've just placed the pics in an album linked below:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118401986208258538313/albums/6131476836347997313

As I've had it untouched in storage for close to 6 years, I just ordered a new cartridge (missing) for the turntable from thevoiceofmusic.com. I have had the radio on several times, and it sounds good with FM stereo on stronger stations. All the knobs will need a good cleaning, however, as there is quite a bit of crackling while making adjustments.

I don't know if this is normal, but when I first switch on the unit, it takes about 15-20 seconds of warm up before any sound comes out of the unit, other than a light buzzing that becomes inaudible after the radio come on.

My main questions on this unit are 1. whether this warm up where no sound comes out is normal, and 2. whether it's worth performing other service after I get the cartridge in and it's complete (Gary from V-M recommended recapping the power board).
 
My main questions on this unit are whether this warm up where no sound comes out is normal

You must not be that familiar with tubes. It is normal to not have sound for about 15 to 45 seconds after turn-on as the tubes need to warm up before they start to conduct.
 
Motorola Stereo Console SK5280W

First time poster new to this great site, but have been lurking for sometime and really enjoy TheRedOne and his posts. I was looking for a shelf to fit behind my couch as a sort of room divider when I ran across this Motorola Console which is 74 inches long. It was a perfect fit. So now, how to fix it. The am/fm radio works, but the turntable and reel to reel don't work. After pulling off the back, the belts had dry rotted off the components and were lying in the base of the cabinet. It is a solid state, but the cabinet is in excellent shape and is real wood, except speaker grills (not sure what they are). The unit is so nice that I hate to remove the old solid state stuff and add some new hifi components, but otherwise I am at the mercy of others to repair it, if it can be. Any advice, ideas, reference materials or links to other posts concerning this model would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for a great site!
 

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The one that got away.....No idea what model # it is......but it was a Motorola.

I went to pick up a Motorola console....last Monday...and over slept a bit..and got there 1/2 hour late. Another guy had bought it. I had an "arraignment" to buy it....but....

I was surprised at how pissed off I got about it....I really have to get a grip on myself and my console habit...:D I'm not a morning person...

I did get to take a peek inside the back...and was surprised to see a little phono preamp....and the power amp looked like a stereo SE EL84. No great shakes...but had wanted it...and the price was right.

 
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You must not be that familiar with tubes. It is normal to not have sound for about 15 to 45 seconds after turn-on as the tubes need to warm up before they start to conduct.

You're right, I am unfamiliar. Hence my joining this forum, reading stickies, and posting here. Thank you for only addressing my stupidity and none of the other questions posted.

As I have the console mostly disassembled now, I'll just start a new thread on its rebuild and learn as I go.
 
you're right, i am unfamiliar. Hence my joining this forum, reading stickies, and posting here. Thank you for only addressing my stupidity and none of the other questions posted.

As i have the console mostly disassembled now, i'll just start a new thread on its rebuild and learn as i go.

:d lol

Looks like a 3 channel integrated amp. Yes, warm up is normal. Yes, the amp should be restored...at some point.

Does it play now? Any distortion? I'm kinda new at this too....and am not familiar with the output tubes.

With those amp numbers....you should be able to find the Schematic someplace....

I checked here: http://www.theschematicman.com/index.html

But he seems not to have any Motorola Schematics after 1959.

HS-996-AA
HK-54-2A

Plugged the first numbers into Google....and found this: It looks like it might be your amp.

https://www.samswebsite.com/en/photofact/details/index/id/124276
 
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My main questions on this unit are 1. whether this warm up where no sound comes out is normal, and 2. whether it's worth performing other service after I get the cartridge in and it's complete (Gary from V-M recommended recapping the power board).

For question 2, 'worth' is an individual thing so I'll give you a few of my thoughts about it that might help you decide for yourself.

Different people have different goals with their projects. Some just want a functioning console, others want to remove what they like and make it into standalone piece that plays with other components, and still others want to use projects like this as test beds to learn and become familiar with repair/restoration so they can apply the knowledge to the next, and then the next projects. I see your console as a good candidate for the first of these (a console that will work), not a good candidate for the standalone piece, and a decent one for the learning process but it does have some quirks.

As consoles go, it is a 3 channel system (center channel for the bass) but it does so very economically with two small power tubes. Motorola made a few dozen configurations of their 3-channel consoles, and this one, while not the least powerful, is close to it. It does have a dedicated power transformer which is nice (it is not a "hot chassis" or transformerless design). On the plus side, it does have an FM Multiplexer which, as you commented, allows it to receive stereo FM. Many of the early consoles with stereo phonographs have only monophonic FM.

Your unit has the power amp, preamp and tuner all on one chassis, which could prove to get a bit tight to work on. It's kind of like a nice table radio, in a big box. But then it has a separate MPX unit (the HS996). If you do want to restore the system, you will want to make a note of the HS chassis number for the main unit, and get a schematic for it. Post it here and there is a chance that one of us already has it.

The level of servicing depends on how far you want to get into it. The main thing that we typically replace are the capacitors, as Gary correctly pointed out to you. We also test the resistors, measure voltages, clean the tube socket contact points, test the tubes, and some other stuff I am probably forgetting about. This requires some tools, good attention to details, willingness to read a schematic, etc. On the other hand, you might just get a can of contact cleaner, get at those dirty pots and see how it does. If it plays with no power supply hum you could use it as is. Of course it will live a longer, happier life if you do renew some components but this is where you get to make the call and decide for yourself.

The changer will require a different kind of service, and since you are already in touch with Gary, you've got low down on all things Voice of Music. He can get you the service manual and his step-by-step servicing instructions where the main objectives are to clean and regrease the mechanism, service the motor, and replace the rubber parts and the needle.

At best, though, these changers are mid-fidelity and while adequate, they are not intended to do what the better, magnetic cartridge tables that gained popularity a few years after this was made will do. This might or might not be a concern, though, as in many houses (like mine) there is a place where it fits in just fine. I don't expect it to be a critical-listening system, but throw on a stack of records and it's an instant party.

I hope this gives you some idea of how to proceed.


RWood
 
Nice Find

The unit is so nice that I hate to remove the old solid state stuff and add some new hifi components, but otherwise I am at the mercy of others to repair it, if it can be.
Nice find! As far as restoring - it really depends on you're state of mind. If it's more about functionality that originality then you should just replace with newer components. I personally think it's worth trying to fix this beauty to it's original form factor- especially the tape deck. It will be worth more as a collectors piece with the original components. This style of console are getting harder and harder to find. And don't count yourself out as being able to restore it. My first was a Solid state Silvertone console that needed restoring and I just jumped in, humbly asked a lot of newby questions, and went for it. After a few mistakes it all came together and I ended up with a showpiece that visitors loved and ultimately made me some dollars. Unfortunately that gave me the bug and now I'm hooked. This forum is a wealth of information with a lot of members who know their stuff. Have fun.
 
Thank you for only addressing my stupidity and none of the other questions posted.

No no :no:

No stupidity or stupid questions here! Most tube newbies ask that very same question. I grew up with tubes and saw the transition to transistors. Now if a solid state (all transistorized) console were to not produce any sound for 20 to 40 seconds then it would either be mis labeled (unlikely) as solid state or something would be seriously wrong with it. :tresbon:
 
micajah - Thanks for the kind thoughts. I think I'll start researching and see what will be needed to restore this console. I was surprised my wife actually liked it. So, it looks like it will be a keeper. I've looked at this site for some time and it's a humbling experience reading the technical knowledge and abilities contained within. Davidicus
 
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:d lol

Looks like a 3 channel integrated amp. Yes, warm up is normal. Yes, the amp should be restored...at some point.

Does it play now? Any distortion? I'm kinda new at this too....and am not familiar with the output tubes.


For question 2, 'worth' is an individual thing so I'll give you a few of my thoughts about it that might help you decide for yourself.
RWood

Yes, it plays fine now. Some of what I initially thought were amp issues turned out to be reception issues. On a strong FM station it sounds as good as my living room setup with a J-pole antenna. The issues are the low hum/buzz from the power amp no matter what level volume, and vibration in the chassis, as well as in the turntable only at 33 1/3. I am working with Gary at VM and have motor mounts and service manuals for the turntable on order.

The schematic you brought up for the stereo unit seems to be readily available, I found it elsewhere already. After removing the power amp from the main chassis to clean the pots, I found the numbers HS1057-C on its chassis, build date 8/62. That is the all in one tuner/power amp.

I pulled the speaker panel out and hooked it up to a Yamaha Natural Sound receiver and tested with MP3 playback from my phone, and the speakers sound fine, although small. As the unit says on the back that it provides adequate power for external speakers, I'd like to pair it with one or two separate boxes later on. I just ran into someone from my church that took a chainsaw to his stereo console, but saved the speakers out of it, so I'm hoping to snag those.

I cannot find the main chassis number anywhere on the cabinet, as the label is faded so badly. I have found similar pictures online, but not identical.

This ebay listing is the closest picture I have found, which would make it an SK102MP-FM http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTOROLA-HS...335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588891a0e7

Sams has that one here https://www.samswebsite.com/en/photofact/search/index/model/SK102MPFM

If mine is indeed that model, someone has cut off the legs to make this unit shorter, as they are not nearly that tall. It is the only unit I've found that the amp chassis numbers match, so I'm guessing that's it.

RWood, my ideas for this are not an original restoration, but on the other hand, I don't want to tie it in with any of my other systems in the home. I already have two setups for surround sound and movie watching, and would like this to be my basement home office system eventually, isolated from anything else. No modern equipment going into it and nothing more than 1-2 external speakers being added.

I have motor mounts for the turntable on order, and am in contact with a website Gary from VM referred me to for tracking down the correct caps. Once the electronics are satisfactory I'll decide what to do with the cabinet.
 
pics of the amp

I think I'll make a new thread on this rebuild, but I thought some here might like to see pics of the amp now that I've got this pulled apart. With nearly all the consoles I've seen pictures of on here, I haven't seen this same configuration all in one piece. Almost all similar ones I've seen have a bay of knobs and the tuner dial separate.

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And the Stereo unit:

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I have all the electronics out of the cabinet, and while waiting for a reply about the capacitors from a supplier, I cleaned everything I could without disturbing the integrity of anything. This includes going through the pots two separate times with contact cleaner. I ran home to get the speaker panel to try the amplifier out with mp3 sound and stereo FM, and I was amazed that I couldn't even tell the unit was on even after 4-5 minutes with no input hooked up. I had to get a multimeter out to test the power cord, etc. before the tubes started to glow and indicate it was running, because there was NO HUM!

Now this is sitting out in the open leaning against a wall. I'm wondering if I am getting a resonance inside the cabinet that is amplifying a vibration from some component when it's installed in the cabinet. At any rate, I'll probably still replace the capacitors, although replacing the multi-section filter capacitor will be pretty cramped with leads for 4 individual ones now.

One other observation, there is a 1/2" diameter disc capacitor .05uF 100V that has a 1/8" burned looking spot on it by the leg of one lead. So I'll definitely have to track down a few extra parts and test the individual components as others here have recommended.

I don't have any way to test the tubes, but all the ones on the amp glow, look normal, and everything works. So is it safe to run without testing the tubes after replacing the capacitors?

By the way, this forum is an awesome resource for us young guys with no experience trying to "rescue" this stuff from the dump. I only wish I had known a bit more 1-2 months ago when the guy from my church was asking about console repair. It's probably best that I don't know what make or model he had, as I'd be kicking myself even more. Thanks guys!
 
Help with identification

Hi All,

I have just started the restoration of a Motorola console, my first Motorola. I am unable to find any pictures or info about my cabinet style, I think it is a 63, model number SKR160W, but not 100% sure. I also cannot find any info on the funky integrated cartridge/headshell, any help with schematics or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Scot
 

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