Can I compliment the U-turn Orbit ?

[aqxmission]

I don't feel the need for a lift, but for those who are a bit nervous about a manual table, I have stumbled on a little tweak that almost completely eliminates the "nerves" part:

Just set the arm down on the record before you turn the table on, and turn the table off before you lift the arm off the record.

Even though obviously nothing has really changed, somehow the simple fact that the record is not moving just makes it seem so much easier and less risky.

Does this damage the record and/or stylus at all?

 

[gusten]

I don't feel the need for a lift, but for those who are a bit nervous about a manual table, I have stumbled on a little tweak that almost completely eliminates the "nerves" part:

Just set the arm down on the record before you turn the table on, and turn the table off before you lift the arm off the record.

Even though obviously nothing has really changed, somehow the simple fact that the record is not moving just makes it seem so much easier and less risky.

I must disagree, the risk of scratching the record is much, much higher when the record is not moving. If the record is moving even if dropping the arm will unlikely cause any scratch.
gusten

 

[Fisherdude]

...If the record is moving even if dropping the arm will unlikely cause any scratch.
gusten

Dropping the arm won't cause a scratch if the record is moving? Seriously?

I've only been playing LP's for half a century. As always, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[gusten]

Dropping the arm won't cause a scratch if the record is moving? Seriously?

I've only been playing LP's for half a century. As always, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

I hope so. The reason is of course that when the record is still the vinyl can be looked at as very soft, when spinning the vinyl can be looked at as very hard.
Not that it matters but I got my first Victrola 1953.
gusten

 

[Vinylcalle]

Wow its amazing how it has crushed all of its competition even though there never been a serious test.

The problem with user reviews in this case are the following:

1. People getting their first TT have nothing to compare them too. (My first was a entry Rega, at the time I thought it was good since I had no other serious experience with other TT. My opinion today is totaly diffrent.)

2. If you have decided to buy a product you have a postive feeling about it and have more or less already decided that it is the best at that price point. This will probably not change unless its more or less defective.

Many have pointed out that its got nothing to do with patriotism (which I wrote in another thread) but still so many points out how amazing it is that its made in USA.

I am not saying it isn´t better than other companies entry TT, but there is probably no one that knows this yet (who have compared them all side by side?).

If you have absolutley no way of affording something more expensive (in USA it is the cheapest without doubt) and it needs to be new, go for it.

 

[fiddlefye]

Wow its amazing how it has crushed all of its competition even though there never been a serious test.

The problem with user reviews in this case are the following:

1. People getting their first TT have nothing to compare them too. (My first was a entry Rega, at the time I thought it was good since I had no other serious experience with other TT. My opinion today is totaly diffrent.)

2. If you have decided to buy a product you have a postive feeling about it and have more or less already decided that it is the best at that price point. This will probably not change unless its more or less defective.

Many have pointed out that its got nothing to do with patriotism (which I wrote in another thread) but still so many points out how amazing it is that its made in USA.

I am not saying it isn´t better than other companies entry TT, but there is probably no one that knows this yet (who have compared them all side by side?).

If you have absolutley no way of affording something more expensive (in USA it is the cheapest without doubt) and it needs to be new, go for it.

If you go through the various threads on the U-Turn you will find that there have indeed been comparisons made to a number of tables including such as Rega. A number of experienced members have posted reviews already and several were of considerable detail.

 

[arcorob]

No flames

I risk getting flamed here but I don't get it?

You offer to do a review yet already claim to 'tout' the product?

You say other reviews are 'slanted' to say something good. You just did the same without ever using the product.

It would be cool to see an AK member get a table for the purposes of an independent review so good luck if it happens.

Respectfully, Bob

But I think you misunderstand. I respect the reviews of those experienced enthusiasts on AK and feel more comfortable recommending it as an entry level turntable than the AT (which is not a bad table but has had some quality control issues). As to reviews that are slanted by the commercial groups, I did not mean the Orbit specifically but in general on products they review who are also sponsors.

What I did say was I place more emphasis on real user review than commercial reviews.

In summary, my compliment was not only to U-Turn but also to the AK'ers here who I respect in their first had tests.

See, no flames ?

 

[boreas]

Many have pointed out that its got nothing to do with patriotism (which I wrote in another thread) but still so many points out how amazing it is that its made in USA.

Not amazing. Nobody has used that word. I think you, and perhaps other posters, are confusing patriotism with chauvinism. With respect to patriotism, one can feel national pride in a product made in his or her country when, after critical analysis, it's found to be a superior product. That's both understandable and justifiable.

Now, as to chauvinism, that would be taking the position that a product is superior, in opposition to objective fact, primarily or wholly due to its being made in one's own country. That, of course, would be wrong and it's really what you seem to be accusing us of.

And there is, of course, reverse chauvinism. That would be, for instance, saying that the Orbit can't be any good because it wasn't made by trolls from Trollhattan.

I am not saying it isn´t better than other companies entry TT, but there is probably no one that knows this yet (who have compared them all side by side?).

Perhaps not but I think what you are saying is that positive reviews of the Orbit by Americans are to be discounted because, well, they're by Americans. I find that to be a ludicrous, unthinking and insulting opinion.

John

 

[boreas]

I risk getting flamed here but I don't get it?

You offer to do a review yet already claim to 'tout' the product?

You say other reviews are 'slanted' to say something good. You just did the same without ever using the product.

It would be cool to see an AK member get a table for the purposes of an independent review so good luck if it happens.

Respectfully, Bob

Jeeze, Rob, you just can't win, can you?:twak::saywhat:

John

 

[Joshewah]

I hope so. The reason is of course that when the record is still the vinyl can be looked at as very soft, when spinning the vinyl can be looked at as very hard.
Not that it matters but I got my first Victrola 1953.
gusten

Gusten, Fisherdudes comments weren't about there being less damage with a record that's not in motion. He was simply stating that with some people there is less psychological apprehension with operating a manual turntable when the platter isn't spinning.

I'd have to agree with him, I have far less anxiety operating my turntable manually when the platter isn't spinning. The decreased anxiety makes for a more steady hand. :thmbsp:

 

[Montycat]

What does that mean ? These guys took on AT, Rega, Project and Music Hall in the entry level category and crushed them.

I do find I have to question this "crushed them" remark. I can't see in what way they have been crushed yet. I wonder if they have even noticed a dent in their sales? :scratch2:

 

[wushuliu]

I risk getting flamed here but I don't get it?

You offer to do a review yet already claim to 'tout' the product?

You say other reviews are 'slanted' to say something good. You just did the same without ever using the product.

It would be cool to see an AK member get a table for the purposes of an independent review so good luck if it happens.

Respectfully, Bob

Not sure I get it either. I think we've got enough reviews at this point to get the picture. Jchertig(?) offered to share his measurement tests in a few days - provided he decides to come back the forum.

This thread just seems like a Rox vs. Sux setup.

 

[GP49]

They say their own lift device is still in development, and that it will be incompatible with the Q-Up.

 

[GP49]

I do find I have to question this "crushed them" remark. I can't see in what way they have been crushed yet. :scratch2:

So do I. It's like what I read in another (non-audio) forum I frequent, in which one of the participants says that his favorite company's growth is "straight up" when it is only about 1-2% per year, and has dropped off for 2013. Such comments as these are over-the-top and only serve to destroy the credibility of those making them. They sound like cheerleaders.

 

[grottyash]

I do find I have to question this "crushed them" remark. I can't see in what way they have been crushed yet. I wonder if they have even noticed a dent in their sales? :scratch2:

Rob gets carried away sometimes, his claim is clearly unjustified. There have also been no comparison tests or reviews, so it's hard to say more than they have been well received by customers.

Worth remembering these turntables are only available in the US, so their impact on worldwide sales would be negligible.

 

[gusten]

I think what undoubtably can be said so far is the Orbit is very well received. It certainly looks like it´s well designed and made, if not, this would be well known by now.
One must be impressed what have been achieved so far, really impressed.
gusten

 

[John James]

I hope so. The reason is of course that when the record is still the vinyl can be looked at as very soft, when spinning the vinyl can be looked at as very hard.
Not that it matters but I got my first Victrola 1953.
gusten

:scratch2::saywhat:

 

[DustyOldPile]

Congrats U-turn Team! May 2014 be a great year for you! I'm finding myself wanting one of your cool looking turntables even though I have no need for a 6th turntable. I've recommended your turntable to many folks who hopefully will take my advice.

-Dusty

 

[gusten]

:scratch2::saywhat:

Yes it´s really the high velocity between the needle and the vinyl that makes the vinyl mechanically playable. Even softer mtrls like cellulose laquer can be played without being destroyed. It can in principle be compared with water skiing.

Lifting the needle from a still record in the middle of a song can easily cause micro-clicks if the lifting isn´t perfectly vertical, the needle is extremely sharp and the vinyl is soft.
If lifting the needle from a spinning record there is no risk of causing micro-clicks beause during the lifting a long length of vinyl is passing during the time.
HTH.
gusten

 

[John James]

Yes it´s really the high velocity between the needle and the vinyl that makes the vinyl mechanically playable. Even softer mtrls like cellulose laquer can be played without being destroyed.

Lifting the needle from a still record in the middle of a song can easily cause micro-clicks if the lifting isn´t perfectly vertical, the needle is extremely sharp and the vinyl is soft.
If lifting the needle from a spinning record there is no risk of causing micro-clicks beause during the lifting a long length of vinyl is passing during the time.
HTH.
gusten

Spread the load, so to speak. Thanks.