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Cartridge advice

jamset

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Please help me choose a good cartridge.

I have a Technics SL-1200MK2 with the standard stock arm.

First option is: DL-110 but I would have to invest in a phono preamp (TCC TC-760LC) for MC since my amplifier is not MC capable. My other option is a shure M97xe. I listen to very bass oriented music like reggae; also listen to jazz and soul. I’m concerned that my arm is not suitable for the denon, also that it might be difficult to set up (don’t have gauges or protractor) compared to the shure but I really want to have a taste of a MC cartridge. I was thinking about getting a DL 103 until I discovered the DL-110 is way cheaper.
 
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Hi jamset, the Denon DL-110 is a high output moving coil cartridge so will work with the normal moving magnet input of your amplifier.

Dave/ChairSpud
 
The Denon DL-110 would be a very good choice for the 1200 and it's a high output MC so you wont need a phono preamp your MM amplifier/receiver will be fine. As far as setup it will be easy, all you need is the Technics overhang guage that's available from KAB.
 
I’m concerned that my arm is not suitable for the denon, also that it might be difficult to set up (don’t have gauges or protractor) compared to the shure but I really want to have a taste of a MC cartridge. I was thinking about getting a DL 103 until I discovered the DL-110 is way cheaper.

The Denon DL-110 comes mounted on a clear plastic gauge.:thmbsp:
 
I like both the DL-110 and M97xE for different reasons. (Actually, I have the similar DL-160.)

Given a choice between the two, I think I would opt for the M97xE over the Denon, which is a bit leaner than I like. Of course, the M97xE is a bit rolled off on the top end though.
Both carts can be improved, however, with adjusted preamp loading.

The M97xE is also much less expensive than the Denon, and can be dramatically improved with an expensive-but-worth-it SAS stylus from JICO.
 
Another vote for the Denon line. I prefer detail and clarity over "girth" - my definition of girth being deep, bassy, low end umph, where the hi's and mids are there, but are not the most prominent feature of the presentation. I find Denons to be very well balanced, from high to low freqs. I own 3 - DL-110, DL-160 and DL-304. All excellent carts and very affordable. IMO.
 
OK, let's do some basic stuff. The arm you have is pretty good. Given a very light headshell and aluminum mounting screws it can be made to sort of equal a semi-low mass arm. In this configuration it would be running with the counterweight screwed in fairly close.

Or, using a heavier cast shell and say SS bolts, you could imitate a medium to slightly heavier arm. With the add-on counterweight, you could likely handle a 18 gram headshell and SS bolts to equal a modestly heavy arm.

So, you have most of the basic tool you need to make most cartridges run right :) So what are you after? You say bass heavy music, but I'll bet you want that bass to be tight?

Unless you have variable loading available for the M97, I would not go that way - it's not at its best at 47K. Can't speak to the Denon - I sold the only one I ever had as we did not get along. But, I do have near 20 cartridges and a few TT's so I can speak from some experience.

I'd be real inclined to suggest an Ortofon in the range of the OM20 - or it's newer equivalent. I'd mount it light as I could and track it at 1.5 grams. It should rock the house just fine.

Another alternative would be a Nagaoka JT555 with the carbon fibrer cantilever. It will make some bass and it's pretty well controlled. Or, and ADC ZLM which would work pretty well.
 
Or, and ADC ZLM which would work pretty well.

CU of 40+ on a mid mass arm.... unless you have fluid damping that is asking for trouble...

Me, I would back the M97xE... - whether one likes the "house sound" or whether one prefers to modify it using custom loading is a different issue.

ALL cartridges require some degree of custom loading to optimise them (and that optimisation includes getting it to sound the way your want and/or the most neutral).

That could include ensuring that the cables have the right capacitance for the cartridge, or it could mean adjusting the Resistive load.... and the issue applies to MM MI and MC cartridges (albeit a little bit differently depending on the individual cartridge and design)

I would still back an M97xE as being the best bang for the buck option - with the greatest upgrade potential (with the Jico SAS).

The other alternative that can sound great on this type of arm is the AT95 - and stylus options on that one can be varied with the budget - some very nice Shibatas available for AT95 now... and the Shibata version can be picked up for a very reasonable $130...
http://www.turntableneedles.com/phono-Cartridge-AT95SH-AT95SA_p_3949.html
(The HyperEliptical version is around $80, and the Eliptical around $30)


Another very strong high quality contender for a mid mass arm is the AT7V - which Audio Technica does not officially export from Japan... it appears to be a continuation of some of the legendary TK series cartridges....
http://www.lpgear.com/product/AT7V.html
(Also around $130)


bye for now

David
 
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Thanks everybody for your kind replies.

Is the stock arm too light for the DL-110 or for the M97x? I read that it makes more sense to match a low mass arm with a high compliance cartridge (don´t know if this is the case for the dl 110 , now I know it is high output but is it high compliance or is it the same?) I don’t want to ruin or over wear my records by compensating for the low mass arm and adjusting more tracking force.

I keep reading about the M97x not performing well at 47k loading. I don’t really know what this mean could someone please explain?

I thought that MC cartridges were much better sounding than MM cartridges. or is this only the case when the MC is low output? Can a MM with the jico sas stylus sound much better than a MC? Is a M97x with the jico sas stylus a much better option than the MC DL-110 ?

I plan to buy the cartridge form lpgear.com or some other outfit like that.
 
Quite a bunch of questions there...

1) The DL110 is a good match for your arm (which is a mid mass arm... 12g effective mass when using the original Technics 7.3g headshell)
2) The M97xE is also a good match for your arm - if the damping brush is in use. - Otherwise it would be a little too high compliance for the mass of the arm.
3) Tracking force is not directly related to compliance - although overall lower compliance designs tend to use more tracking force, and higher compliance designs tend to use less.
4) The M97xE performs perfectly as per the factory specifications and design when it is run at the factory recomended Capacitive and Resistive load... - which is 250pf total capacitance with 47k ohm resistance.
If your capacitance is higher, or lower, you can sometimes balance things out by varying the resistance. - Loading is a fairly complex topic!
Also you can tailor the sound a bit (a lot!) by varying the loading - the normal Shure "house sound" has a slightly lowered high end (hence it tends to sound "smooth") - for those who prefer a slightly more "neutral" sound - and aim for a slightly flatter frequency response, increasing the resistance a touch will help.
This is more "salt and pepper" rather than "right and wrong".
This article is good with showing differences related to capacitance variation:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/shure_m97xe_e.html

DaveyW's page is excellent with the method for varying loading (resistive - but it can apply to capacitive as well)
http://daveyw.edsstuff.org/vinyl/loading/

I suggest further reading on loading if you want to understand it in greater depth....

5) What is better MM / MC .... No specific cartridge type (MM, MC, MI, and exotics like electrostatic, strain-gauge, etc...) has a dominance on "sounding better".
As an example the Technics EPC100mk4 is considered by some people to be the greatest cartridge ever made - it is MM.

However, the current fashion tends towards MC - and as with all things fashion, the majority will therefore recommend the current thing...MC.

Like all things Audio - no two components sound alike, and when you have two top cartridges side by side, which one you prefer is often a matter of taste... (back to the salt and pepper again !)

The things that drive a cartridges/stylus ability to reproduce a recording accurately are:
a) Stylus Shape (in increasing quality: conical, eliptical, line contact)
b) cantilever quality (in increasig quality: aluminium, tapered aluminium, boron/beryllium/ruby)
c) Effective stylus mass (lower is better - most manufacturers don't tell you the mass!)
d) Generator (coil/magnets) efficiency and linearity

The lower the mass of the stylus the better the stylus ... given that the coils are directly attached to the cantilever on an MC design, the fewer coils there are the better (as it will be lighter) - the consequence of this is that the better cartridges have lower output. (there are also linearity and associated fine detail issues associated with the use of permeable vs non permeable cores, this results in very low output MC's being even better in many cases)

However - due to the low output, you then need more amplification/gain to make up for it. And if the quality of this amplification is not high enough, you will increase the noise level. - So LOMC involves additional phono stage costs in the form of either higher gain electronics or additional transformers... these need to be very high quality.

In MM designs, the same thing applies, which is why the very best MM (and MI) designs, have had lower output than the mainstream ones - they used more powerful magnetic materials, but with much smaller magnets - to keep the moving mass down.
Where most MM's have around 5mV output, some of the top models had 2.5mV or even 1.5mV. (and then there are LOMM's with similar outputs to a LOMC cartridge... a rare breed)

The cantilever is also often overlooked - different materials have different strengths, weights and rigidities.
The consequence of this variation are:
a) Differing effective mass (the most obvious)
b) Cantilever resonance shifts to a higher frequency as the stiffness of the cantilever rises - the cantilever resonance has an impact on the sound of all cartridges - it is non-linear, and therefore undesirable - but is frequently used in tuning the overall sound of a cartridge design. - The best designs shift the resonance high in the ultrasonic range, to minimise its impact on the audible frequencies
c) cantilever skew/twist - the more rigid the cantilever, the less it skews and twists - when it moves this way, it converts more of the recorded energy into distortion rather than sound - on a frequency response plot, all cartridges show this as a slight (0.5db to 2db) drop somewhere between 2kHz and 10kHz - the stiffer exotic materials reduce this effect substantially - some designs "cover this up" by using either electrical or cantilever resonance to provide a more balanced/flat frequency response - but a distortion measurement of the cartridge often shows this "hump" in distortion....
Shorter cantilevers, and stiffer cantilevers reduce this effect.

6) Yes a Jico SAS can sound better than many an MC (Boron cantilever, microridge needle, light powerful magnets) - but there are plenty of MC's that will outperform a SAS too.... at a price! - Yes I think the M97xE-SAS combination is probably a better cartridge than the DL110 - but a DL-S1 might be quite a different kind of competition!

The single most important determinant of a cartridges overall "sound" is the cantilever design and suspension - the resonances, and skew/twist are unavoidable - affect the sound and are different with each design (although they are subtle).

In terms of compliance matching with a Technics SL1200mk2 arm - one of the biggest upgrades is the KAB fluid damper... which will help with all cartridge types, and allow matching with higher compliance cartridges.

When choosing a cartridge, my criteria would be :
1) Do I like the "house sound"
2) Compliance matching with the arm
3) Cantilever
4) stylus type
5) Generator type (MM / MC) is BY FAR the lowest criteria

Hope this all helps

Bye for now

David
 
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