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dowey

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A friend of mine let me borrow his sony tower speakers SSF5000p and i was expecting them to sound like garbage,but I find myself actually impressed. They lack a small amount of detail that my polk m30 and m4 have, but overall they are pleasant to listen to. Im running them with a pioneer sx 780. Is there something wrong with my ears? has anyone else had a similar experience with 150.00 sony tower speakers?
 
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I have had a few cheap models that I found myself initially impressed with, but after the novelty wore off and I really started listening to them, they went out the door.
 
I picked up a pair of SS-U530's to work on as a hobby. Gave it a cleaning, changed the insulation, added black vinyl and aluminum, and presto! All my friends are against my parting with these loud and deep party speakers!
 
I have had a few sets of Sony towers over the years.When one hears some really good speakers they won't want anything to do with Sony towers.
 
maybe its the increase in bass from running the smaller polk bookshelfs that i normally use? feels a little more satisfying......
 
actually, there's nothing inherently wrong with some of those types of speakers. sony, jvc, yamaha, pioneer and other brands that offered better consumer products sold some mass market speakers that were truly very good, held back not in sound but in longevity due to poor quality cabinetry that gradually falls apart with age, excessive cabinet vibration or even rattling in some speakers as they aged but didn't appear for a few years, and also generally poor vinyl finish. I've heard crap and excellent performance from speakers that were included in component stereos (separate receiver, turntable, tape deck, speakers, all in separate boxes, but basically intended by the manufacturer and store to be sold as a package, so kind of like the ultimate in what amounts to prepackaged stereos, just in different packages that in theory the person could mix and match.

in the 80s you went to future shop or a&b sound or the smaller chains with some truly higher end gear as well for sale, and you said you had $600 to $800 for a full stereo, and they said ok here's this jvc system, it even had jvc speakers, or technics or pioneer, again all the same brand for everything, even with mysteriously similar model numbers (801 receiver, 805 speakers, 802 cassette deck, 808 turntable, whatever).

if the company was capable of making good speakers, then in the nicer combos you did sometimes get some quite well engineered speakers with good drivers in a computer designed cabinet with good crossover points chosen and lpads so the designer didn't have to worry about exact driver level matching or anything :-)

I'm NOT saying that they have the amazing imaging of great speakers designed for that purpose, or really low thd, or really flat response, or really great dispersion control, or anything other than basic first order crossovers (sometimes without even a choke on the woofer (although never forget that a woofer inherently has a built in choke due to it's own coil and sometimes people actually design that into the crossover curve)).

but they CAN sound really really good. I've heard speakers from polk, infinity, jbl, kef, tannoy and others that had very serious design issues resulting in terrible balance, evenness, phase problems, peakiness or dispersion problems, and I've heard great speakers from jbl, sony, yamaha, pioneer and others that didn't have any of those issues at all and generally sounded better.

I fully admit that it's RARE - most consumer crap is just that, crap. and most speakers from dedicated speaker companies are great. but the companies that did a little of everything (the sonys of the world) had some brilliant engineers that could make some truly competive great sounding and measuring speakers (there's a sony bookshelf I can think of right away that is excellent).

All that being said - I absolutely despise sony and yamaha 5.1 systems. I've heard the nicer mini+subs from both companies and simply can't believe the terrible boxy sound from those satelites, some nasty midbass and higher resonances that are inexcusable in speaker design.

anyway, yea, enjoy those sonys if you like them. nothing to be ashamed of.

but as others have said, when you get something better, it'll be interesting to find out what you feel about the sonys when you're used to more accurate speakers. unless those sonys are particularly good ones that I've been talking about having been released every once in a while through history!

as always, imho and from my personal experience, by no means am I saying that anything I wrote is correct, accurate, or anything but just my own ideas. :-)

cheers,
Don
 
more thoughts - I remember going into a store in the late 80s saying my mum wanted to upgrade her turntable's cartridge (specifically wanted to replace the shure with a specific ortofon model but I never got far enough with this fool to even show that I knew anything).

they said what kind of speakers do you have?

I said JVC.

They said "as a rule all japanese speakers are crap" so don't bother upgrading your cartridge. (EDIT: I expect he would have pushed some speakers on me if I'd let him - I forget the brand they had all over the store, certainly good stuff, but they were clearly a one brand pushing small shop, must have had lots of markup on those speakers).

I said "you're wrong, that isn't a rule and is completely wrong. Secondly these particular jvc speakers are truly excellent, top of the line from their catalog and have compared well to some incredibly high end speakers from jbl that we compared against, and are used mostly for very critical classical music listening by professional classical musicians and audiophiles who's opinions you should certainly take into account. Thirdly, a salesman who immediately insults his prospective customer's equipment, whether right or wrong, is clearly incompetent so I'll take my business to a better store where they know more than the first page of 'how to pretend to sound like an audiophile expert when you should really be selling used cars'."

I was 17 or 18 at the time and really REALLY enjoyed that - I'll remember it forever.

He obviously had no idea of what japanese companies were all about, and like many people even today was completely ignorant of what totl JVC gear was all about (JVC had higher performing cassette decks, class A receivers and speakers for less money than their competition during the 80s). EDIT: I'm the first to admit that JVC's downfall was build quality - most of it just didn't last... but still, my point remains

done my rant/story :-)

EDIT: by the way, yes I tried to sound like a snob to him in my rant, I was pissed off LoL, I still smile when I think of it though

Cheers,
Don
 
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these did not come from a rack system,they are only a few years old and are sold in pairs....by the way thanks for all the replies.....
 
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You should hear what Sony can do when they really set out to make a great speaker, instead of accidentally making a good one. They know what they're doing, they just don't always want to do it. They make more money selling ok stuff by the thousands than great stuff by the hundreds.
 
They know what they're doing, they just don't always want to do it.

Don't forget that they contracted out for the SS-M series design. ;) Of course, knowing what they're doing can mean they know when to call in an expert. :D
 
My main set is a pair of Sony SS-F6000P towers that I got on Amazon for $120 for the pair (with free shipping!). They sit 1.5 feet from the wall on carpet and each have a 20lb weight on top to firmly ground them. Sony says they designed these new speakers for the higher frequencies of SACD (that I've heard we cannot even hear...) they are connected to my Pioneer SX-3600 through an 8" Accurian sub from Radio Shack.

I know you'll think I'm nuts, but these speakers don't have any obvious faults. I recently moved into a new house, so I am struggling to set them up to get the soundstage perfect--but that's the room. They are not over bright or cloudy. playing CD's they are pretty flawless to my ears. I prefer to listen to big floor speakers with 12-15" woofers--but the budget prevents their purchase right now.

Now so you don't think I don't know what I'm missing...my turntable (early 70's Sanyo by Pioneer) is serviced my a audiophile store where they have 3 audition rooms selling Tannoy, Creek, Rouge and Boston Acoustics. While their systems sound great, I don't return home ready to spend a couple thousand dollars. Besides, all your speaker and room problems can be solved with a $60 pair of Grado cans:)

You can't find any reviews for the SS-F6000P's since most audiophiles think Sony's are crap. I decided to get them because my budget was tight (wife) and I had had a very good experience with the earlier SS bookshelves.
 
these did not come from a rack system,they are only a few years old and are sold in pairs....by the way thanks for all the replies.....

other than my examples being from the 80s then I think I'm talking about exactly the same thing. my examples weren't from rack systems either and were sold in pairs, just that they were really intended to be sold as part of a system with a given level of receiver and turntable from the same manufacturer. I expect things like that still happen...

cheers
 
A friend of mine let me borrow his sony tower speakers SSF5000p and i was expecting them to sound like garbage,but I find myself actually impressed. They lack a small amount of detail that my polk m30 and m4 have, but overall they are pleasant to listen to. Im running them with a pioneer sx 780. Is there something wrong with my ears? has anyone else had a similar experience with 150.00 sony tower speakers?

This is very similar to my setup. I have the next gen SS-F600p through a Pioneer SX-3600
 
Sony did actually make a pretty good tower speaker it is a transmission line speaker. I was lucky enough to find a pair at the thrifts. They are Sony SS-TL5's.http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218759&page=7
I still need to refinish them somebody put a darker stain over the original stain.
I've seen alot of these newer sony towers on CL I always wonder how they sound.
 

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I'm running a small Sony book shelf speaker and it sounds good. It doesn't sound great! However they are at least 15 years old and still to this day function quite nicely for what they are.

Positives:
Good volume with low power. (good for background music)
Crisp high's, and even bass.

Negatives:
Mids are "quacky" and CAN be muddy.
Speakers sound worse as the volume increases.
Clip at any volume over 1/3
 
Sony did actually make a pretty good tower speaker it is a transmission line speaker. I was lucky enough to find a pair at the thrifts. They are Sony SS-TL5's.http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218759&page=7
I still need to refinish them somebody put a darker stain over the original stain.
I've seen alot of these newer sony towers on CL I always wonder how they sound.


I have 2 sets of the Sony TL5's and keep my eyes open for a 3rd set. They do seem rare. After getting the 1st pair, it took 3 years of daily craigslist checks to find a second pair locally.

If I was forced to keep only one type of speaker from my modest collection, these would be the ones. Good balance of bass, detail, and vocals.
 
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Sony did actually make a pretty good tower speaker it is a transmission line speaker. I was lucky enough to find a pair at the thrifts. They are Sony SS-TL5's.http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218759&page=7
I still need to refinish them somebody put a darker stain over the original stain.
I've seen alot of these newer sony towers on CL I always wonder how they sound.

http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/sonyvault/SSTL5/SSTL5.html

I saw a couple of TL-3's at a thrift in less than optimal shape. I passed on them. There's a pair on ebay last night I saw for very very cheap but shipping was $60 (they are pretty heavy things).
 
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