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Circuit City files for bankruptcy

They seemed to have changed their business model the last few years and were moving to smaller stores with a reduced selection. One opened in the mall about 500' north of us and I went to check it out only to find perhaps 1/5 the CDs of the store I used to frequent and an overall floor plan easily half that of the older store.

Circuit City Light, so to say.

I did have a bad incident with them a few years back when the camera I bought my daughter online for Christmas stopped working due to a battery issue about 9 days after Christmas. When I brought it back, they started to give me some crap about how it had been more than 30 days since purchase ( I bought it online as a around Thanksgiving) and they couldn't help me out, so I had to ask to see management and basically raise some hell to get the camera replaced.

That aside, they won't be missed, but I'm not their customer. Hell, I probably haven't spent $300 in them AND Best Buy this century....
 
Aside from all the poor hourlies losing their jobs, I won't miss CC at all. They struck me as the elex version of Lowes: 10,000 customers on the floor and 30 sales people trying to deal with them all. I know. I lasted 5 months at Lowes before I walked out at lunch and never came back after my department manager threatened to bust my ass... on the sales floor... in front of customers. I think he was just pissed off because my monthly sales were about twice his.

I did the same lunch and no return thing too... at CC...LMAO
 
The consumer majority has pushed retailers into the current sales strategies, not the other way around.

I don't see it that way...

I believe the consolidation to a handful of nation-wide stores was driven more by Wall Street and the expectations of investors than by consumer habits. Those big box stores showed up well before the customer demanded them. Once built, they were bigger, newer, and offered more of the same products at a lower cost. Even if they are actually losing money. The goal is to run out the competition and become the main play. Then, cut costs. Even beyond the point where you damage your business interests. Ride it out until you see the ultimate end and bail. Maybe, you become so big you "cannot be allowed" to fail.

This is a new phenomenon. It is now prevalent in many businesses. In my opinion, this happens when too many involved have no long-term interest in the actual success of the business. Rather, it is a short-term play in a bubble. In many ways the little guy ends up holding the bag.

It is a Wall Street recipe: If you need to see a glaring example how it happens, look at the banks.
 
My buddy made great money at cc when it was commission driven. He of course left when that ended. I will say that the few times I have been in there since, the sales staff meant well, but really had no clue about what they were selling. Couple that with me having no clue and you have me buying two different receivers in one day. Learned the hard way that you could not in fact, plug a tt into a cd input. Didn't matter much-that piece of crap lasted just long enough past the warranty that I had to buy before toasting itself.

Kind of related- I worked at Sears and watched that place crumble...went from commission sales to having every meeting being 'we want to be just like Best Buy...how are we going to do that?' I quit because they were going to can me for not selling their thieving credit cards-even though most months I had the best sales record in my department. I guess they did get what they wanted and turned into BB.
 
This makes people hold on to their money and not buy as many goods and services
Unfortunately this is the big problem at the moment. If you haven't lost your job, all you do when stop buying is make the problem worse. The streets are DEAD (relatively speaking) on Saturdays around Atlanta. Fear-driven lack of spending by those who are still employed will ultimately cause them the very fate they are scared of.
 
When the Radio Shack franchise was lost in Canada the stores became The Source. The chain is part of another Canadian big box electronics chain.
 
I don't see it that way...

I believe the consolidation to a handful of nation-wide stores was driven more by Wall Street and the expectations of investors than by consumer habits. Those big box stores showed up well before the customer demanded them. Once built, they were bigger, newer, and offered more of the same products at a lower cost. Even if they are actually losing money. The goal is to run out the competition and become the main play. Then, cut costs. Even beyond the point where you damage your business interests. Ride it out until you see the ultimate end and bail. Maybe, you become so big you "cannot be allowed" to fail.

This is a new phenomenon. It is now prevalent in many businesses. In my opinion, this happens when too many involved have no long-term interest in the actual success of the business. Rather, it is a short-term play in a bubble. In many ways the little guy ends up holding the bag.

It is a Wall Street recipe: If you need to see a glaring example how it happens, look at the banks.

Let me tell you a little story from Best Buy's history. Back in the early 80's when the company was named "Sound of Music" and was one of those audio stores that everyone seems to miss so much. One store in Roseville, Minnesota was hit by a tornado and the actual building was nearly destroyed. In response, Sound of Music held a tornado sale - cut rate prices, stripped down service and lots of product. It was so successful that they started bringing in more product from other stores, and the "Tornado sale" became an annual event. Consumer's voted with their dollars, and Best Buy started its transformation -- to reflect the financial benefit and feedback from consumers, not the other way around. Combined with the new computer age that started to push out new technologies that consumers wanted an alarming rate and you have the birth of the Best Buy Superstore. If consumers wanted these little audio stores, then they would have flourished because demand would have been there to support them.

The free market does not hold you at gun point and make you spend money at any given place or time. Consumers vote everyday when they choose to spend money. You always have a choice, and if the needs of large numbers of people are not met, new markets are open to those who innovate.

If we look at retailers like Kmart (once the world's Walmart) and Sears (Grandfather of Walmart) you can see what happens to businesses that do not adopt to what consumers demand. Both of these retailers used to have strangle holds on the market, and over extension was not their downfall.

I don't see the parallel with the banking system. Completely different situations. Selling a TV that you take payment for at the time of sale is not a big risk, unlike hoping that a low income person will pay a mortgage for 30 years.

A comment on Best Buy and its business culture. A vast majority of employees at the corporate office are fully invested members of a team. Most have pounded the floors in your local Best Buy store. The CEO has been with the company for 35 years and is not some soul-less hired gun looking to plunder the system. Brad Anderson has donated stock options in the past to employees and his salary has stayed stable, yet he continues to build value and profits year to year.

I know its really fun to bitch about the haves in this day and age, but frankly, ethically challenged companies that take advantage of their customers, employees and stock holders can not and will not be profitable over the long term.

And yes, I am proud to work for a forward looking, thoughtful company that tries to provide value not found anywhere else. Nobody else could provide me with the ability and freedom to serve with the Geek Squad in people's homes on a daily basis. I make a difference.

dew.
 
...consumerism must share the blame for the demise of quality businesses. ....also high end stores for pushing hocus pocus and not pushing demonstratable performance. No, they gave us Tice power conditioners, wire burn in boxes, kilobuck speaker wires with the magic lump box attached to it, and all of this other stuff that can't be proven.
Well, if you can't prove it and you charge a lot for it, you're going to alienate your base and cater to the rich.They won't be loyal to your product and just want to out do their other rich friends. Your enthusiast customers will opt out. They want real performance. No, the high-end stores lost their way too. IMO
 
The last time I bought anything at all related to stereo gear at CC was my BPC Sony dual-well cassette deck... in 1996. Since then, it's been a spindle of DVD-Rs here, a computer power supply there. Nothing major. Now with CompUSA gone and CC on its way out, the only brick & mortar place left to buy any computer parts is Best Buy... and I don't care for their prices. Online is cheap, but when I need my PC running now!, it's tough to wait and/or deal with returns.

I remember reading in a few places that the seeds of CC's demise actually began in 2000, when they decided to stop selling major appliances; that was the way they thought that they could differentiate themselves from Best Buy. Well, it sure worked!

I don't know about you guys, but if I were in the market for a new TV, Wal-Mart really isn't the first place I think of. It was for the DTV converter box, though. :dunno:
 
They filed for bankruptcy, they arent going out of business. So lets hope that they re-emerge from bankruptcy with a better business model. I found them to have better deals than Best Buy so I hope they survive. They had a good business model during the 80s when they had a commissioned sales force that was knowledgeable and aggressive. once you move to hourly paid workers, those people arent motiviated to do anything...
 
Besides the loss of jobs everyone here who has a CC near them should be concerned with the closing or potential closing of the CC. Whether you bought from them or not they oftened generated foot traffic to shopping areas near them and thus helped stores not located in the nearest mega mall stay in business.

Its kind of like having an annoying neighbor on your block having their house forclosed on. You think it is a good thing until you realize that having forclosed properties in your neighborhood lowers your home value and in the end hurts you.
 
Not a fan of circuit city but kind of sad to see the end of an era...I'm sure Best Buy and the others will follow. As bad as they all are what follows may be worse. Let's just hope that the little guy can return to viability.
 
Unfortunately this is the big problem at the moment. If you haven't lost your job, all you do when stop buying is make the problem worse. The streets are DEAD (relatively speaking) on Saturdays around Atlanta. Fear-driven lack of spending by those who are still employed will ultimately cause them the very fate they are scared of.

Interestingly, I see the exact opposite here in NJ. I work in retail, and I swear it's gotten busier since things really started to go downhill. I don't think Americans will be able to go for very long without constantly buying stuff, it's in our blood, which is one of the reasons I remain optimistic about this situation even now, it's just going to take some time to turn around.

I used to like Circuit City, it seemed like they had better prices then most, but at this point there's nothing they have that I'm at all interested in. Regardless, I'm not happy that people are losing their jobs.
 
General Motors and Daimler is on the edge too with sales at an all time low. Their primary income at the moment is from service and repairs, no surprise.
 
Unfortunately this is the big problem at the moment. If you haven't lost your job, all you do when stop buying is make the problem worse. The streets are DEAD (relatively speaking) on Saturdays around Atlanta. Fear-driven lack of spending by those who are still employed will ultimately cause them the very fate they are scared of.

You can look at it as doing nothing but making the problem worse, of you can look at it as people trying to do something that has been lacking in the US for quite some time: saving money.

People didn't always buy as many things as they do now, and much of what we call necessities these days are really luxuries. Sure, it is partially fear driven, but I think some people are starting to realize that they can get by without some things.

There are also people who aren't buying things because they cannot. Some of the higher ticket items are purchased using credit to which not everyone has the level of access they previously had.

Its kind of like having an annoying neighbor on your block having their house forclosed on. You think it is a good thing until you realize that having forclosed properties in your neighborhood lowers your home value and in the end hurts you.

There is another side to this too, though. Lower home values allow people to actually afford homes. Larger businesses closing might make some room for smaller businesses.
 
When the Radio Shack franchise was lost in Canada the stores became The Source. The chain is part of another Canadian big box electronics chain.
That chain is owned by Circuit City and both sides of the border it is seeking protecting under restructuring protection (Chapter 11 in the US, am I right?). In other words, neither side of the border is it dead just yet. If Circuit City goes down we lose our version of Radio Shack as well so that doesn't bode well....
 
I seriously doubt "Sound of Music" took over America's malls overnight. They got big because they had a good story to tell and Wall Street was looking for good stories.

I do not begrudge management or the guy who developed the thing. My issue is the Street money that came in and no doubt diluted the ownership and focus. Big time. How many shares were issued along the way to "Big"? You sell your soul to the Devil when you let that money come in the door. From that point on, you serve what is essentially a speculation game. No wonder privatization is a hot trend for those that can.

Think I am way off? Look at so many other companies that did the same thing and are in the same position. Look at many large retail businesses and you find a parallel: Bagels and coffee come to mind right-off. Donuts. I'm thinking breakfast already.

Pizza and beer. Now that is the safe bet.
 
^^^^^^:thumbsdn:^^^^^^

No one should ever get excited that a company is going under. Think of all the people losing their jobs.

Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how many "mom and pop" small high end shops CC ran out of business? Small shops with esoteric gear, small shops that actually knew what they were selling, small shops that actually had an answer to your questions, small shops that cared about their customers.

It's a GLORIOUS day to see that CC had to file. All they brought to the plate was poor service, low end junk product, and pimple faced kids with no product knowledge.
 
Some of my fondest memories of salesperson ignorance and sorry customer service came from Circuit City. And I'm certain it can all be traced back to managerial incompetence. Ooops! There I go again.

Anyhow, It's still sad to see businesses go down the commode. Especially at a time when the job market aint so great.

Dave
 
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