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Computer Viruses

hakka26

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Is it just me or has everyone been getting junk mail from various sites, AOL, ebay, paypal... regarding: new email address, SMTP, password, Paris Hilton/Nicole Richie (as if I care about these two ignorant tramps), etc. with virus attachments. I don't open the attachments and Macs aren't readily infected but it pisses me off that sites can be invaded and addresses used to send these out without any recourse. Should be able to hunt 'em down and shoot 'em like a dog in the street.
 
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I agree totally, that is why I recently replaced my windows machine for a mac. I do not get any spam in my mailbox though. Maybe applying stronger filters to your email program will reduce the amount of spam/viruses that you are receiving.
 
I use Yahoo mail, and their spam filter works pretty dadgummed good. I still get some crapola that makes it through the filter, but I delete stuff I don't recognize or are clearly bogus. I've even sent a few to eBay when email was obviously phishing--I think I had one purporting to be from PayPal, too.
Just remember no legit email will ask for your personal information and will have you go to their website to login.
 
We use Yahoo mail for our shop email which works well at separating the spam but occasionally a legit email will slip into that category so you have to check it every now and again.
One thing to do if you suspect a message, is to check out the complete header. Something that appears to come from ebay or paypal often will reveal its true source in the complete message header.
 
THe best way to deal with e-mail viruses is NOT to use an e-mail client like outlook. You can use thunderbird, If you HAVE to have the outlook appearance and functionality, but you best off using a webmail service like yahoo. If you have someone who has connections with google, a Gmail account is where its at.

If you use aol , just go to webmail(dot)aol(dot)com

Other ISPs have their own webmail addresses. 90%+ of all webmail services have virus scanning and will not let you download an infected attachment.

you can also grab adaware se (to remove spyware) and AVG antivirus (free) Both a re agreat programs that will keep you computer safe, and you don't have to pay for a stupid norton or macafee subscription.

If you using a mac, congrats. However you can still catch a cold for a mac.
 
First, let me begin by saying that I can produce the following list for any operating system, including Windows and Linux. I am not a Windows or Linux bigot, nor am I a MAC hater.

The point to the list below, of problems that Apple has had in the past six months, is that NO OPERATING SYSTEM is secure. Even with extreme attention and configuration, the best of us (on our personal and corporate computers) can easily get infected.

My problem is that there are those who like to claim that one OS is more secure than another. The truth of the matter is that some OS are less of a target than others. As an OS becomes more secure, virus writers have to become more intelligent about how to infect the OS, steal OS code to learn from it, or move to less appealing targets.

No manufacturer deliberately writes code that is not secure. Nor is any open source codebase secure. Their shortcoming is trying to provide the feature-rich environment that consumers and corporations want, often pushing schedules to beat their competition to market.

There are simply bad people out there, whose enjoyment, rather than hanging out with friends or finding a girlfriend, or browsing on AK, get their pleasure out of creating problems for other people. In a world where our judicial and law enforcement systems were more in tune with technology, we would not have the problem as much as we do. For example, I break into your house while you are not at home, and destroy or steal your belongings. That is a crime that is understood. I throw a rock into a store window. That is a crime that is understood. If the perpetrator of the crime said “I was only trying to show 3M and GE that their Lexan glass product was not secure”, the judge would not give a rat’s ass, and the perpetrator would be convicted. The same analogy can be made when a lock is picked, but you do not see anyone beating on Schlage when their locks are picked, do you? However, when the perpetrator gets caught for a computer crime, well, they were just trying to show Microsoft or Apple that their OS was not secure. And that is if they get caught. Many law enforcement agencies do not pursue this type of crime, and some do not even consider it a crime.

Again, I am not beating on Apple here, but to imply that their OS is any more secure than another’s, is the wrong answer.

Also, the practice of recommending one browser over another is not the solution. While I can produce dozens of issues with IE, and with Mozilla/Firefox, I won’t. What I will produce is the following from the SANS:

--Microsoft Investigating Possible Remote Code Execution Flaw in IE
(29 August 2005)
Microsoft is investigating a report of a remote code execution
vulnerability in Internet Explorer. The flaw affects IE6 on machines
running Windows XP SP2 with all current security patches. The
researcher who reported the flaw to Microsoft recommends using an
alternative browser.
http://news.com.com/2102-1002_3-5844431.html?tag=st.util.print
[Editor's Note (Schultz): According to Secunia statistics (see
http://secunia.com), the number of vulnerabilities in IE6 has declined
significantly over the last half year or so. Furthermore, many competing
browsers have also had their share of vulnerabilities lately. I am not
sure, therefore, that recommending using an alternative browser is
appropriate any more
.]

And, what about all of the phishing, viruses, scams, etc that arrive in email? Too many to even address. But, when a perpetrator sends out millions of messages looking for credit card numbers, or wants you to click on their link that will screw up your computer, they do not know, or care, if you have a MAC, Windows, or Linux OS. And, just because you are not getting any spam right now, just wait a bit. Someone is waiting, and searching, to harvest email addresses everyday.

And, this is the part that will really anger a lot of people: there are a lot of really stupid users out there, that are looking for a “get rich quick” message, or some Viagra message, or some weight-loss message, or even a message from DFUYEGENDER@YOURFRIENDSATAK.COM.CC “re: Hello” because they are so curious about opening the message to see what it is, or what attachment might have been sent to them. Think of your email account as the door to your computer, like the door to your house. If you would not let a stranger in your house uninvited, why open their email on your PC?

And, I have first hand experience with a group of representatives from some of the major anti-virus product providers. Guess what? Some of them know these virus writers personally and are friends with them. Do you think there might be any collusion between the anti-virus provider and the virus writer? No, of course not. That would be illegal, wouldn’t it? And all of these companies can trust their employees, right?

And, although one can understand problems with viruses “In the wild”, does anyone ever see the problems in some of the code of the anti-virus provider? There are code problems that they have, but it is rarely brought to our attention.

And, what about those who insist upon running old, un-patched versions of the OS? "I do not want to make Bill Gates any richer", they say. Fine, you are only hurting yourself. Not that upgrading and patching is the answer, but it does help. Question: Do you refuse to purchase a new toothbrush because you do not want Proctor and Gamble to get any revenue from you? Let's be serious here. Why hurt yourself. While one refuses to spend money on a current, legitimate copy of the OS, they will spend countless hours fixing the damage to their PC caused by viruses that could have been prevented.

I could go on and on regarding this particular subject. I will also take the arrogant attitude that I am correct, and cannot be challenged on any of this. If one wants to understand the issues regarding all aspects of current threats to the on-line environment, just subscribe to the SANS NewsBites at www.SANS.ORG. It is a bi-weekly newsletter of current issues.

By the way, one cannot even rely on the legitimacy of TLDs (Top Level Domains), like those with a .ORG on them. Recall the recent Katrina scams? But, we have opened the registration of domains to anyone now. I cannot find the message, but somewhere around 25% of registered domains have invalid contact information, and some have contact names like “SuperMAN”. One would imagine that that type of crap should be easily caught and corrected.

In closing, it is a dangerous world out there, with bad people who will steal your info, and damage your computer, just for fun. They will steal from charities that help those that are the most in need, without any shame or sense of moral behavior. These people could easily be your next door neighbor. Turn on the firewall, do not go to websites that you do not know or trust, and do not open email messages from those you do not know. And even if you follow this advice, it does not mean that you will be able to avoid viruses, scams, etc.

Now, for that list of MAC issues, see the below snipits from the SANS:


--Apple Releases Cumulative Update for Mac Os X
(30 November 2005)
Apple has released a cumulative update for the Mac OS X operating
system. The update addresses 13 flaws, that could be exploited to allow
remote code execution, cross-site scripting and spoofing. The most
serious flaws are the remote code execution vulnerabilities in
CoreFoundation, Curl and Safari.
http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=4891
Internet Storm Center: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=905

--Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.4.3
(1 November 2005)
Apple has updated Mac OS X to version 10.4.3; the update includes fixes
for five security vulnerabilities in the operating system and bundled
applications. One of the security flaws could be exploited to
circumvent security restrictions. The update is available for Mac
clients and Mac servers.
http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/173401043;jsessionid=XWKZIT1UMCWLUQSNDBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN
http://www.eweek.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=164124,00.asp
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302763
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301984

--Apple OS X Updates Address Java Flaws
(15 September 2005)
Apple has released software updates for Mac OS X 10.3.9 and Mac OS X
10.4.2, known respectively as Panther and Tiger. The updates address
critical security flaws in the Java software, which could be exploited
to evade security restrictions or obtain elevated privileges.
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/printfriendly.htm?AT=39254741-39000001c
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302265
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302266

--Apple Releases Large Security Update
(17/16 August 2005)
Apple has released a security update for OS X that addresses 44 flaws.
Some of the vulnerabilities for AppKit and Safari are considered
critical. Buffer overflow vulnerabilities in AppKit could be exploited
to execute arbitrary code on unpatched systems. Flaws in Safari could
be exploited to allow attackers to bypass security checks to execute
arbitrary commands; users would have to click on malicious rich text
format files for this to happen. In addition, a buffer overflow flaw
in Apple's Server Manager D could allow remote code execution without
user interaction.
http://news.zdnet.com/2102-1009_22-5834873.html?tag=printthis
http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=4222
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA05-229A.html
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302163

--Apple Patches 11 Security Flaws
(10 June 2005)
Apple has released a security update that contains fixes for 11
vulnerabilities in its OS X operating system. Some of the flaws are
buffer overflow problems that can result in denial of service or
unauthorized root access on vulnerable systems.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/nw5ACVdv9UyVc2/Tiger-Jaguar-Get-Patched-Up.xhtml
http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164302227


Doc
 
Sorry, should have been clear-it's junk mail but it goes directly to my "Bulk Mail" folder so I know it's no good.
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
The point to the list below, of problems that Apple has had in the past six months, is that NO OPERATING SYSTEM is secure. Even with extreme attention and configuration, the best of us (on our personal and corporate computers) can easily get infected.Doc

Nope, no OS is secure... but in OS X's defense it ships with no unnecessarily open ports, has the ability to easily install and use programs without having full admin priveleges enabled and a built in enabled firewall.

I have been online since 93 and without any effort on my part whatsoever I have had no viruses. Not one, not ever. Is is because there are less Macs and therefore a less interesting target? Yep, and I'm okay with that... Is it because the Mac is tougher to write a virus for? Yes, and I'm okay with a bunch of script kiddies being unable to cut and paste a virus together..

I don't hate Windows... but it requires far to much WORK to make sure it is safe.. and I am extremely lazy!
 
Justen said:
I have been online since 93 and without any effort on my part whatsoever I have had no viruses. Not one, not ever.

Are you suggesting that you have not updated your software, and have not installed any anti-virus software on your Mac since 1993? We should all switch to Macs, which would kill all of the virus writers, and put the anti-virus providers out of business, since the world would then be virus free. As Sam Cooke said, "what a wonderful world it would be".

That the list of Mac OS problems for the past six months exists at all indicates that there is activity, and increasing activity, targeting the Macs, suggesting that Macs are becoming larger targets (as well as Linux users) the more that Windows corrects its issues. And I did not provide all of the issues encountered in the past six months. Do not become to comfortable with your perceived position of security and safety, as that is when the problems can occur.

To your point, however, I have been online, in some form, since 1971. To be fair, however, let's just address things since 1993, which is when Windows 3.1 could be declared a "successful" product (for those of us who remember the previous versions of Windows). I too, have not had any viruses or problems. But to say that I have not taken steps to prevent these problems would be false. I wish I could say otherwise.

There was an interesting thread recently, where I do not remember, about a university computer science professor, who was complaining that he had been infected, and his machine was wiped out. To recover, he boasted that he purchased a new computer, and the first software that he installed was, of all things, a virus checker. Well, at least he was honest enough to admit it.

Doc
 
Nope, I'm saying my fat lazy ass updates my OS occasionally, and I have never ever, ever have run any type of anti virus software and generally ignore any warnings about bugs. In other words, I am your typical user.... and in my lazy ways I have never had any type of virus on my Mac. Not true on my PC's or Linux machines...

If you pay attention, and if you aren't lazy, Windows is secure. Except for this nasty bug that should hit tomorrow, if the experts are correct....

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0d644d5e-7bb3-11da-ab8e-0000779e2340.html

"Windows PCs face ‘huge’ virus threat
By Kevin Allison in San Francisco
Published: January 2 2006 18:18 | Last updated: January 2 2006 22:19

Computer security experts were grappling with the threat of a newweakness in Microsoft’s Windows operating system that could put hundreds of millions of PCs at risk of infection by spyware or viruses.
The news marks the latest security setback for Microsoft, the world’s biggest software company, whose Windows operating system is a favourite target for hackers."

I'm not saying Windows is bad, I'm saying I'm stupid and lazy... and if by using a Mac I can prevent 99% of viruses, that appeals to the stupid and lazy part of me... I really like putting my TRS-80 online, since no one writes viruses for that! You sir, are far smarter and wiser than me... I'm too dumb to figure out all that anti virus nonsense... so I plug along on my Mac, unaware that viruses exist except for the deluge of spam I get (filtered) from my PC friends... I'm sure someday that will bite me in the ass, but it hasn't yet...
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
We should all switch to Macs, which would kill all of the virus writers, and put the anti-virus providers out of business, since the world would then be virus free. As Sam Cooke said, "what a wonderful world it would be".Doc

Nah, then the world would be boring... I just like things that aren't common! I'm sure if Macs ruled, I'd be using KDE/Gnome, or OS/2, or fire up my VAX...

If we all liked the same stuff, we'd all be listening to HT from Best Buy. Instead each one of us here is a tinkerer, messing around with "outdated" technology, working on old cars, whatever. Hell, Kam is building a vintage TV studio... I take a similar view with computers... if it sounds or works for you good to you, I'm happy for you! OS wars aren't my cup of tea really, so I'll be bowing out now... cheers!
 
Justen said:
Except for this nasty bug that should hit tomorrow, if the experts are correct....

As far as the experts go, an EX is a has-been, and a SPURT is a drip under pressure.

Hundreds of millions of PCs to be infected? We shall see. However, this warning of doom occurs around every January 1st. The thing that immediately throws this into suspicion is the quote:

“We haven’t seen anything that bad yet, but multiple individuals and groups are exploiting this vulnerability,” Mr Hyppönen said. He said that every Windows system shipped since 1990 contained the flaw.

Every Windows system since 1990? Right.

Doc
 
Did you miss the part where I said I was fat, lazy and stupid? I dunno chit... but since you quoted these guys, I'm going to assume they do...

http://isc.sans.org/index.php

I hope you are right, mostly cause I hate it when the internet slows down...
 
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