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Okra

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I have Sonus Faber Sonetto III speakers. They sound lovely and are aesthetically pleasing but I want for a more dynamic forward sound. I've owned various B&Ws through the years so I'm familiar with their house sound. Would it be crazy to swap my SF for a pair of B&W 805D2s B&W stands included with say $600 to me in the swap?
 
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When somebody mentions "dynamic forward sound" i don't think of B&W, i think of wide (44cm or more) boxes (or open baffles) with big 12" (or 15" ) woofers and, preferrably, horns.
 
I have Sonus Faber Sonetto III speakers. They sound lovely and are aesthetically pleasing but I want for a more dynamic forward sound. I've owned various B&Ws through the years so I'm familiar with their house sound. Would it be crazy to swap my SF for a pair of B&W 805D2s B&W stands included with say $600 to me in the swap?

I had a pair of Wilson Audio Witt II speakers that I loved. My wife asked me if I could get something smaller so stupid me sold the Witt's and replaced them with a pair of B&W 805S speakers.
I was never satisfied with the B&W's. I had to get a subwoofer to fill in the bottom end which helped a little but the sound was just lacking.

I ended up selling the B&W's and spent a lot of money trying to find something I liked. It took lots of money and various speakers until I finally got to where I am.

Happy now.

The best B&W I ever heard were the 801 Nautilus. If I found a set of those at a good price I would seriously think about getting them.
 
I had a pair of Wilson Audio Witt II speakers that I loved. My wife asked me if I could get something smaller so stupid me sold the Witt's and replaced them with a pair of B&W 805S speakers.
I was never satisfied with the B&W's. I had to get a subwoofer to fill in the bottom end which helped a little but the sound was just lacking.

I ended up selling the B&W's and spent a lot of money trying to find something I liked. It took lots of money and various speakers until I finally got to where I am.

Happy now.

The best B&W I ever heard were the 801 Nautilus. If I found a set of those at a good price I would seriously think about getting them.
Those Wilsons truly resonate realism.
 
Those Wilsons truly resonate realism.

That's what the person said who bought them from me.

I first heard the 801's many years before I had the Wilsons. The 801's were at an audio store I had gone to where I had to pick up an amp I had work done on. While waiting for my amp I was looking around in the high-end room and a salesman comes in and sets me down in front of them. I got the biggest rush of my life just listening to the soundstage and imaging. I'll never forget that day.

Many years later the Witt II's came up for an excellent price and I bought and enjoyed them so much...until my wife asked me to downsize. I can't even remember which speakers I was using when I bought the Witts.

The person who bought them was a recording engineer who used 801's in his studio. I asked why he wanted the Witts and he said "When you want to wow your friends, the 801's fit the bill. When you want realism, you want the Witts".
 
I ended up selling the B&W's and spent a lot of money trying to find something I liked. It took lots of money and various speakers until I finally got to where I am.

Happy now.
Curious as to what you found that you're happy with now?
 
Dynamic isn't much gonna happen @ 89dB/4ohm (=86dB/W). I'm with @flavio81 -- something like the new Heresy IV's would get a lot of that done and still be "small"(ish). Congrats on your new life and maybe it's time for Cornwalls (III or IV) which would get all of it done :)
 
Dynamic isn't much gonna happen @ 89dB/4ohm (=86dB/W). I'm with @flavio81 -- something like the new Heresy IV's would get a lot of that done and still be "small"(ish). Congrats on your new life and maybe it's time for Cornwalls (III or IV) which would get all of it done :)

I think with his MC462, nearly 1.8kW of dynamic power available, dynamics will happen just fine. Dynamics are also about compression and distortion vs dB and I’m not sure those Klipsch models can really do high-SPL without compression. His S-F speakers are likely a good choice.
 
I have been lusting over the Aida II for a few years. The ability to produce a lush sound that fills the room, plus the amazing craftsmanship and available finishes, I could find nothing wrong with them except the price. So, I waited and watched for a used pair.

My dealer however also kept tempting me with the much more affordable JBL 4365s, which in comparison were not at all impressive looking, but so very honest and with a solid pedigree. Being discontinued by JBL they were also discounted.

The hesitation with the Aida II was a little coloration (my opinion), the size/weight, the complexity of the crossover (phase-distortion) and of course justifying the price. The 4365s were a 3-way and I was really looking for a very simple and honest 2-way at this point in my journey, something extremely honest.j

Well, the used Aida IIs never did come up, but my dealer (S-F and also JBL) demoed the new 4367s (the replacement for the 4365), which list for 1/4 of the Aida IIs.

Solid pedigree based on one of the most respected TOTL Master Monitors in the industry, a 2-way as I was seeking, all of the specs I wanted and more, at a price I didn’t need to justify. Rather pedestrian looking in comparison to the six-figure speakers out there, and JBL clearly doesn’t have the cache’ that Sonus-Faber has in the high-end audio circles, but I absolutely couldn’t find anything about their performance that wasn’t at least as good, and in some cases more honest and better than the S-F, ... again of course in my opinion. Listening with my eyes closed, I felt that the JBLs put me in the music, nothing added / nothing missing, just complete realism with the dynamics to cause pain while not flattening the music at all, really couldn’t justify the additional price at that point.

I know it’s not a comparison to the Wilsons, I’ve heard only the Watt-Puppy and felt they were quite good, nor to the smaller Sonettos, which I probably auditioned at the dealer on the way up tp the Aida IIs but can’t specifically remember what I didn’t like, but this is where I landed with my McIntosh system.

It sometimes seems like a waste of power capacity, the 462 will seldom see over 4.5w and the few times the meters have gotten well past 45W (but still shy of 450W) it truly was painful, only fun for a short period, I still feel that the MC462 is an excellent choice.

The speakers? They look a little boring in comparison to some of the higher-end B&Ws Sonus-Faber et al in their basic rectangular box with a single horn/waveguide HF and mundane walnut veneer, but I’ve stopped trying to impress others with what I spent and just buy what sounds right to me. Yes, I’d prefer to open my eyes and look up at the imposing and gorgeous woodwork of the Aida IIs reminiscent of a mahogany speedboat, maybe some day I’ll make another change, but when my eyes are closed I regret nothing.

I hope that your new system is as satisfying and as enjoyable as it should be, you’re certainly making some really solid choices in equipment.
 
I think with his MC462, nearly 1.8kW of dynamic power available, dynamics will happen just fine. Dynamics are also about compression and distortion vs dB and I’m not sure those Klipsch models can really do high-SPL without compression. His S-F speakers are likely a good choice.

??? Sincerely glad that you like your amplifier. The OP has those components and, apparently following his own ears, started the thread.

Personally, irrespective of what I had read, I didn't understand what high-sensitivity-people were on about until I lived with speakers > 100dB/W for years and went back and forth to other things. They're lively and dynamic, even at lower volumes, driven by about anything. Those experiences allowed me to hear transitions in lower sensitivity (mid 90's) things that I hadn't comprehended before that.

There really is a thing to high sensitivity (say ~98 on up) that dynamics basically "come for free". Speakers are bundles of compromises all packaged according to the designer's priorities. It's something you can't know by reading or talking to people, just live with something over 100 for a while so it's obvious and smacks you on the beak. At the very least, it exposes some of the tradeoffs better--and fosters consideration of where to "live" on that continuum.

Some of these things with 2 or 3 ohm loads and big negative phase angles that need welders for amps are trading a great deal for the smoothness they achieve. Sometimes that comes off as a little dead, IMO. That's one set of tradeoffs...
 
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I bought a Rega DAC from a guy who had the 805's and I got to spend a some time listening to them while.auditioning the Rega. I had Altec 19's at home and the 805's certainly weren't in the "dynamic and forward" category like the Altecs. I second the suggestion for a high sensitivity design that uses a horn loaded compression driver for mids/highs if dynamics and forward are your objective.
 
Agree with you both.

I have had a lot of different designs, I think other than plasma, I’ve owned everything. The Model Nineteens however always seemed in a different class when playing softly, as they were always able to maintain dynamics, even softly and that is something that I never hear in most types of speakers. I thought that they would never leave me, but the 4367 being a modern version of the Model Nineteen won me over.

>100dB sensitivity? They are not, only 94dB I believe, but having dynamics and detail on a pair of speakers even with lower sensitivity (<90dB) really shouldn’t be a problem with an amplifier that has ample power and headroom. OTOH, high dynamics on a “fleawatt” amplifier will certainly require exceptionally high sensitivity speakers.
 
Magnepan 3.7i's, or if you have the coin, 20.7's. I've heard the B&W Nautilus 800's, and they are quite special, but most other B&W's sound a bit polite to me. Smooth as the day is long, but always seem to be lacking a little sparkle on top.
 
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