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Crites Tweeter Measurements

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I think I should just re post it here, I forgot that was in Barter Town.

FR measurements of the Crites tweeter. FRD file attached to this post (min phase/1 meter on axis.) Here are the FR graphs:
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On axis/1 meter
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Horiz. 0-45 deg
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Vert. 0-45 deg
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Harmonic distortion 2nd/3rd

FRD file located here:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=244197&d=1291932812
 
To clarify:
Measurements are of raw driver response, only protection cap in line.
Taken at 1 meter. FR response taken with Fuzzmeasure and Cross Spectrum Labs calibrated mic. Excess phase removed from FRD file. Horn not mounted on a baffle, made a test jig.

In my judgment, the vertical pattern control begins at about 4kHz.
 
What speakers are you using these in, with what crossovers, and can you give any subjective impressions on their sonics compared to the stock Klipsch tweeters?

Thanks in advance!
 
Jon, I have to run to work, I will try to respond more completely by tomorrow. In my previous post you will see these are not on a crossover, raw response, not on a baffle.

Talk later. : )
 
Thanks Sky. Yes, I did see that the measurements were without crossover or baffle, but I guess I assumed (dangerous!) that you have installed or will be installing these in a complete speaker and that's where I'm curious about your impressions. :thmbsp:
 
Jon,
No, I sold them; that's why this started at Barter Town. I was asked to post measurements before they went out; so i obliged.

I had them in Heresys, which were sold separately. They certainly made the Heresys better.

It looks to me like the response of the Eminence APT driver/Crites horn combination is easily made flat with a compensation circuit as its mass rolloff is a steady 5 or 6 dB per octave above 4kHz.

The vertical directivity measurements show a loss of pattern control below 4kHz, so you'd want to cross over higher, and that's how they are used in Klipsch speakers anyway. I guess anyone DIYing with these would use them in a 3 way anyway, so, not a problem.

Additionally the vertical pattern looks narrow to me, but I can't make any fancier graphs to illustrate that more clearly, though that would be nice.

Another issue I noticed is that the 45º vertical response (yellow) exhibits a higher output between 10kHz and 20kHz compared to the 40º (red) vertical response. Perhaps that's from edge diffraction. Flush mounting the horn on a baffle may eliminate that effect. :dunno:

The small ripples in the response between approx. 1,700Hz and 5k (most easily seen in the horizontal,) are interesting. I have seen others analyzing graphs call ripples like those HOM effects. But it may take a different kind of imaging to really see that; or just a better interpreter. :D

I did not measure 50-90º because I could not easily and accurately rotate the jig any further.

I was intending to keep these for a 3way project but I had to liquidate some stuff to pay for a computer to run PCD software for crossover design. : )

If you were thinking about buying a set for Klipsch speakers I would recommend them. If you are going to DIY, I'd like to see what you make. As you can see, there's no breakup spike at the high end of the response. No notch filter needed up there.
 
Thanks for the excellent discussion. I'm still learning about interpreting speaker measurements and I haven't yet made the time to really immerse myself in the subject. I am thinking about the Crites tweeters as upgrades for my La Scalas, but realistically it's not very high on the list right now. For one thing, my living situation makes even owning La Scalas fairly ridiculous. I live in a two room apartment in a private house with very thin walls. The speakers are in a 12 x 12 room. I also thoroughly enjoy my speakers right now, though it's very easy to get into the "chasing the dragon" mode. A DIY project is quite appealing to me, though again not very realistic for the foreseeable future.
 
Weird, I can't see any of your attachments. I get a message saying I don't have access to this area? WTFO?
 
I just did new caps and Crites tweeters in my Heresy II's. DId you have any obvious break in period on those?

I never noticed any break in period on caps or compression drivers.
I will admit that my ears tend to adjust.

I am not sure but I believe the HII did not use the k77/Crites CT 125.

Hope you are enjoying your mods.
: )
 
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