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Dahlquist DQ20i In The House - Tech Info

Pete B

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I've been interested in Dahlquist speakers since I heard the DQ10 s, when they first came out, and liked
their sound. I noticed the Advent looking woofer, Phillips/Norelco lower mid, and the unknown at the time
dome upper mid and tweeter, wasn't impressed with the piezo tweeter. Then about 15-20 years ago I
came across the crossover schematic and was also not impressed with the complexity, but if they sound
good, then enjoy them. I thought about them a lot over the years and my conclusion was that you don't
need anything more than a 3-way, with a better mid and tweeter, vertically aligned, and what do you know
then you have essentially the DQ20, or the i version which can be bi-amped. The DQ20 and i version also
use the Advent woofer, a Vifa 5" paper cone mid with a large magnet, and a .75" Scanspeak tweeter.

I'm often asked how I would build an Advent 3-way and this is pretty close to what I'd do but probably
with a different voicing and a more in-phase crossover. Or I might consider as close as possible to the
DQ20i and an alternate that is not phase linear but with in-phase crossovers - no longer DQ20i inspired.
I was going to build a pair from Advent boxes but then a pair became available from a local friend with
the light oat colored grilles that I like. Also, the woofers had already been refoamed by legendary Miller
Sound. I am in the process of replacing the one NPE cap in the woofer circuit and confirming the schematic
that is online and the inductor values. All the other caps are Solen 400V 5% poly films.

The DQ20, not the i version, was reviewed in Stereo Review June 1988 and is attached as a .pdf.

Also, here's a much more detailed review of the very similar but all in one box M907i, by Don Keele in
Audio from Aug 1990, pg 92 in the .pdf:
https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-Audio/90s/Audio-1990-08.pdf
It is VERY interesting that Keele finds the M907i to be fairly linear phase which is what the designer was
trying to achieve. But it uses higher order crossovers, highly damped, with the midrange wired out of
phase - interesting, I'd like to see the math behind this. Note that the M907i uses nearly the same crossover
and drivers. It even has the poor vertical polar response that is expected with a 1st order system with the
main lobe pointing down, rather than up in the M907i. Keele suggests flipping them over for better
standing response.

They look very nice in this room with the light oat colored grilles:
DQ20i IN HOUSEsm.jpg

Thread here on Dahlquist history, and at that time he was living in NY:
 

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======== DQ20i Woofer
It is the Large Advent woofer but I will measure the T&S parameters and the input impedance
to produce a .zma file for simulation.
 
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======== DQ20i MIDRANGE
The midrange in mine is a Vifa C13MH-08 8 ohms, strange that it is listed on the schematic here as C13MH-09.
The -09 is a catalog part, it is possible that they had a custom order but it looks exactly the same.
I will measure the T&S parameters, curious to see if the rubber edge has hardened.
I measured the drivers and Fs had shifted up above 100 Hz due to the edge stiffening with age. I tried the
brake fluid fix as documented in this thread:
Note that I've also tried Wintergreen oil with other speakers and it made a significant improvement
but didn't last:

My measurement gear and mids were at our other home where we had a total loss fire so I'm planning to use
a very similar current production SEAS that requires a slightly larger, 1/8", hole. Working on it.

==== THE MID ENCLOSURE
Cutout = 4.25"
Enclosure ID = 4.75
Enclosure depth, front of baffle to back wall = 5.75"
Port tube = 4" long
Port tube ID = 1"
Note that the wires going up to the tweeter ran in front of the port tube and it looks like
they were compressed against the tube by the midrange magnet. I pushed them to the sides.
Note the indentations left in the tube indicating that they were very tight and thus there was
a very small gap for air flow.
This suggests, if I'm correct that the back of the magnet is almost up against the port tube opening - strange.
Was this a clever way to make a leaky, more like aperiodic system, or was it a miscalculation on the tube length?
It is tuned very low (85Hz), at least in the M907i as tested by Keele in Audio, might as well have made it sealed
since why have extra resonances of the port tube and a sharper rolloff?

DQ20i MID ENCLOSURE.jpg
 
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======== DQ20i Tweeter
The tweeter is a .75" ScanSpeak D2008 date code 8517 for both the right and left.

Interesting note: both domes look to be about 1/16" off center from the round over
opening, could this be to stagger any diffraction off of the opening since they look
identical?

It does not look like these have ferro-fluid based on the height of the impedance peak.

PLB-R Fc=878.7 Qts=.65 Qm=1.77 Qe=1.0 Rdc= 5.32
PLB-L Fc=851.6 Qts=.73 Qm=2.16 Qe=1.10 Rdc= 5.61

Zin PLB-R = DQ20TRZI.BMP DQ20TRZI.ZMA
Zin PLB-L = DQ20TLZI.BMP DQ20TLZI.ZMA
 
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======== DQ20i CROSSOVER
Good that all air core inductors are used and mostly poly film caps with one NPE on the woofer.
All connections, even to the drivers, are soldered for gas tight connections - very good.
Mid, tweeter XO, wire routing a bit strange, perhaps to keep some tension on them so they don't flop around.
All caps are Solen 400V 5%
All resistors are 10% 5 W except 50 and 100 ohm which are 3W, I'd like to see twice the power rating.
DQ20i XO.jpg

Woofer XO with one NPE cap brand ELKO glatt (only 35V? 68uF) which I've never heard of:
Black stuff in the corners looks to be the sealer for the woofers, maybe dropped it in when woofers
were removed for refoam and forgot about them?
I'd guess that the strange routing of the wires is to prevent them from rattling against the side walls, not sure.
Binding post nuts needed to be tightened, some thread locker would make sense.
DQ20i WOOFER XO.jpg
 
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======== DQ20i Main Box


Woofer out, tape damping on back of woofer is a Miller Sound addition:
Interesting that the tweeter is nicely flush mounted, however the midrange is not - strange.
DQ20i OPEN.jpg
 
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======== DQ20i Listening Impressions
These are very bright and forward sounding speakers as the M907i test report confirms.
Perhaps I need to experiment with placement.
 
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Watched! I’ve had two pairs of these, I loved them in a big room when I rented the first floor of an old Victorian house. My current smaller living room with lower ceilings, not as much.
 
I've heard DQ20's in 2 different systems, and loved the sound quality. One setup used Conrad Johnson tube separates, which was very warm in tone, and somewhat tubby in the bass. The better system used top Audio Research tube gear, and sounded phenomenal. Very holographic with a huge, deep soundstage. No localization of speakers. Dahlquist engineer Carl Marchisotto also believed in tube electronics with his Alon/Nola speakers as well.

Good luck.
 
@brendanauth thanks!
@StimpyWan Did you ever have them in your own system and when you heard them were you seated or standing?
The CJ system was at work. The ARC setup was at a local high end dealer. Both sets of Dahlquist speakers were heard standing and seated. Dispersion was very good, to where there wasn't a huge difference in sound quality, from either position.
 
Had their DQ-12's. Very similar construction with the time algin on top of the bass box. Bass shy but after you heard what else the did I didn't really care. Hearing them for the first time female voice reproduction had tears welling. The DQ-12's are one of my favorites. Wife never forgave for selling them.
 
Been looking for a pair of these for a while. I had a set of the dq-8, and they sounded quite nice with good imaging. The low end was just not enough for me.

My dq-10s were my first real audio purchase 26 years ago. Still got em.
 
Been looking for a pair of these for a while. I had a set of the dq-8, and they sounded quite nice with good imaging. The low end was just not enough for me.

My dq-10s were my first real audio purchase 26 years ago. Still got em.
There was once a free pair of 20s on my local Craigslist. I was the 2nd responder...! :no::rant::oops:
 
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