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Charivari

Fighting Naïve Realism
The recent recurrence in a usefulness of subwoofers in music thread in General Audio has once again revealed the myth that music albums contain no information below roughly 50 Hz and that deep bass is only to be found in movies. Well, that simply isn't the case.

Quite a few albums in a variety of genres have a surprising amount of information down in the below the chest thump range of frequencies. Hearing such music on a system that has quality bass reproduction with infrasonic extension then hearing the same on a sound reinforcement type system with a -10dB point at 42 Hz is a bit akin to listening to a set of quality speakers with the tweeters disconnected. The majority of the music information might still be there, but there is an obvious lack in the music.

So, to help dispel this myth, I thought it might be fun to start up a thread that shows examples of recordings that do have significant deep bass content and even quantify it a bit to prevent dismissal. I'll post a few examples and hope that others will offer up their own examples and graphs.

To make the task simple, I'll use Audacity, a free software program capable of rudimentary frequency analysis, sampling a 15-20 second window using the simpler method. The data and graph will be done with the Hanning window setting, which will reduce the output from the actual levels, but make the structure of the signal more evident and interesting. So, bear in mind that the graphs are showing the deeper frequencies as much reduced compared to how they actually are in the recording.

For example, here is the outputted data in the Hanning window of a sample track:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -18.321007
5.383301 -9.494538
8.074951 -3.650261
10.766602 -2.714630
13.458252 -1.392469
16.149902 2.651150
18.841553 4.369283
21.533203 5.038529
24.224854 4.230545
26.916504 3.027425
29.608154 3.209841

...and the same section using the default setting:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -8.039579
5.383301 -4.218844
8.074951 1.324195
10.766602 1.946540
13.458252 2.959974
16.149902 6.476102
18.841553 8.388677
21.533203 9.469977
24.224854 7.931274
26.916504 7.512465
29.608154 7.727251

It is worth noting that while some of the infrasonic information might appear to be of much reduced level and covering only a few Hertz, that little bit can cause woofers to flap, experience non-linear motor movement, possibly be damaged (bottoming out), and suffer general distortion and noise such as port flatulence.

Hopefully some of you will participate.

- JP
 
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For the vintage audio and vintage music enthusiasts, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is often referenced as possessing deep bass during the open heart beats. [Moderator Edit] I thought it might be a good idea to start out with this album.

So, here's the deep bass data from my SACD copy:

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - 01 - Speak to Me

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -44.245716
5.383301 -39.590443
8.074951 -39.096371
10.766602 -39.822357
13.458252 -39.746201
16.149902 -38.308403
18.841553 -29.570469
21.533203 -17.158283
24.224854 -7.515893
26.916504 -2.359143
29.608154 -0.371146
32.299805 0.249749
34.991455 0.030295
37.683105 -0.399332
40.374756 -1.066315
43.066406 -2.338704
45.758057 -4.478515
48.449707 -7.704432
51.141357 -12.212358

Not very deep after all with a mid-30s peak, but still very hard on the typical speaker that rolls off in this frequency range.

The graph:
 

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Here's a true classic that inspires awe or at least thoughts of large black monoliths and apes.

Sony & Telarc - The Ultimate Listening Experience Sampler - 01 - R. Strauss: "Intro to Also Sprach Zarathustra"

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -23.573685
5.383301 -38.206627
8.074951 -28.538177
10.766602 -24.758154
13.458252 -7.973807
16.149902 -0.712038
18.841553 -5.355571
21.533203 -27.492155
24.224854 -32.600864
26.916504 -32.225616
29.608154 -18.423227
32.299805 -10.008629
34.991455 -13.381495
37.683105 -19.812393
40.374756 -9.617966

The graph:
 
Another Telarc track, this time a Halloween classic: J.S. Bach - "Toccata & Fugue in d"

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -11.092618
5.383301 -24.149824
8.074951 -19.427574
10.766602 -21.514917
13.458252 -25.572021
16.149902 -6.992652
18.841553 -3.056420
21.533203 -11.232677
24.224854 -26.751719
26.916504 -25.744823
29.608154 -24.386345
32.299805 -11.954255
34.991455 2.060615
37.683105 2.525590
40.374756 -9.981316
43.066406 -25.685062
45.758057 -30.771641
48.449707 -29.290041
51.141357 -11.819454

The graph:
 
Edit: It would seem Charivari beat me too this one.

Toccata and Fugue in D minor from Telarc's Organ Blaster.

Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -11.233334
5.383301 -23.415676
8.074951 -16.927868
10.766602 -20.033970
13.458252 -24.871912
16.149902 -7.358892
18.841553 -3.577013
21.533203 -11.677084
24.224854 -25.895210
26.916504 -23.462910
29.608154 -23.984789
32.299805 -13.344034
34.991455 0.999443
37.683105 1.685836
40.374756 -10.348372
43.066406 -26.453545
45.758057 -30.971087
48.449707 -30.209400
51.141357 -12.777632
 

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Thanks x 25. I'm glad to see that people will participate in this thread rather than crap in it.

I'll take your "Toccata & Fugue" and raise you one better (though of lower overall fidelity), a 1998 recording of it played on the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall organ. That instrument possesses a 64' Diaphone Profunda pipe with a 8Hz fundamental. This is a section shortly after the 16Hz note has dropped off, but the Diaphone is still going strong.

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -25.526825
5.383301 -4.222298
8.074951 6.148107
10.766602 4.609671
13.458252 -6.918735
16.149902 1.768233
18.841553 2.480072
21.533203 -8.912724
24.224854 -4.102414
26.916504 -0.085817
29.608154 -2.456619
32.299805 -2.048774
34.991455 -0.961018
37.683105 -6.097619
40.374756 -8.319345
43.066406 -2.885857
45.758057 -3.076998
48.449707 -5.103987
51.141357 -1.622090

The graph:


Sure would love to hear that organ in action, but sadly it is non-functional. The only other I know of with that same 8Hz action is in Sydney Hall.
- JP
 
Even more Telarc action, this time E. Bernstein - "The Magnificent Seven"

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -26.162132
5.383301 -32.158546
8.074951 -23.525240
10.766602 -19.490740
13.458252 -24.350237
16.149902 -31.338779
18.841553 -30.411833
21.533203 -30.153372
24.224854 -30.081594
26.916504 -27.261431
29.608154 -23.993999
32.299805 -22.652056
34.991455 -20.362654
37.683105 -18.796461
40.374756 -14.583026
43.066406 -4.420384
45.758057 -0.518489
48.449707 -3.703683
51.141357 -10.799780

The graph:


Not a whole lot of infrasonics, but still enough to stress the average woofer.

- JP
 
I'll take your "Toccata & Fugue" and raise you one better (though of lower overall fidelity), a 1998 recording of it played on the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall organ. That instrument possesses a 64' Diaphone Profunda pipe with a 8Hz fundamental. This is a section shortly after the 16Hz note has dropped off, but the Diaphone is still going strong.

:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

I had heard pipe organs could go down to 16hz but is did not know any could go down to 8hz. One day when I am rich I will buy a pipe organ.
 
Of course, everyone knows of Telarc's take of Tchaikovsky's "182 Overture"

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -9.287772
5.383301 -3.466694
8.074951 -1.109548
10.766602 0.528711
13.458252 1.736480
16.149902 0.701556
18.841553 1.016447
21.533203 1.512429
24.224854 1.185840
26.916504 1.827819
29.608154 3.432830
32.299805 5.460093
34.991455 5.474170
37.683105 4.989202
40.374756 4.229126

The graph:


- JP
 
Deep bass isn't just limited to the classics.

Emma Shapplin - Etterna - 04 - La Notte Etterna

The numbers:
Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -18.321007
5.383301 -9.494538
8.074951 -3.650261
10.766602 -2.714630
13.458252 -1.392469
16.149902 2.651150
18.841553 4.369283
21.533203 5.038529
24.224854 4.230545
26.916504 3.027425
29.608154 3.209841
32.299805 4.381285
34.991455 5.005988
37.683105 1.224906
40.374756 -2.456484
43.066406 -5.466317
45.758057 -5.706003
48.449707 -2.487926
51.141357 -3.549545

The graph:


Last one for the moment.

- JP
 
Darn you beat me to the 1812 Overture.

How about the thunderclap from the intro to Telarc's Chiller.

2.691650 -14.785128
5.383301 -14.799332
8.074951 -9.048399
10.766602 -5.060534
13.458252 -1.382344
16.149902 0.979896
18.841553 0.824152
21.533203 -1.221494
24.224854 -2.158811
26.916504 -1.963200
29.608154 -1.902847
32.299805 -4.466085
34.991455 -5.951068
37.683105 -5.476721
40.374756 -5.807463
43.066406 -4.352782
45.758057 -2.515116
48.449707 -4.023753
51.141357 -5.917123
53.833008 -5.744339
56.524658 -5.449945
59.216309 -6.023260
61.907959 -6.372523
64.599609 -4.730049
67.291260 -4.349515
69.982910 -5.710714
72.674561 -6.838500
75.366211 -6.241912
78.057861 -5.912093
80.749512 -6.339341
83.441162 -6.465991
86.132813 -6.933658
88.824463 -7.532727
91.516113 -6.474104
94.207764 -6.292809
96.899414 -7.696116
99.591064 -8.191617
102.282715 -7.525110
 

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I can think of a lot of recordings that have very deep bass.
Telarc Time Warp - Battlestar Galatica theme, Star Trek TNG theme
Vangelis various but Jerusalem is my farorite the organ note at the end is just awesome.
Telarc Capriccio Italien

Some more modern stuff

Anything by Boney James
James Newton Howard

Many others
 
Thanks x 25. I'm glad to see that people will participate in this thread rather than crap in it.

I'll take your "Toccata & Fugue" and raise you one better (though of lower overall fidelity), a 1998 recording of it played on the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall organ. That instrument possesses a 64' Diaphone Profunda pipe with a 8Hz fundamental. This is a section shortly after the 16Hz note has dropped off, but the Diaphone is still going strong.

The numbers:

Sure would love to hear that organ in action, but sadly it is non-functional. The only other I know of with that same 8Hz action is in Sydney Hall.
- JP


I shall now proceed to raise a glass of adult beverage in your honor for using that instrument as a reference. I thought I was the only guy on AK who is an ACCHO fan. My life will be improved greatly if they ever that thing fully working again and release some hi-fi modern recordings.

Although by your comment about the 64' in Toccata in D I get the feeling you might be using the MP3 on their website. The 1998 test CD's Toccata version is a low-power recording without the heavy pedal in action. Although the CD's quality isn't great, in general I noticed a big improvement over the compressed file on the more dynamic tracks. The conclusion to "Ad Nos Ad Salutarem Undam" is frightening when played at high volume.


:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

I had heard pipe organs could go down to 16hz but is did not know any could go down to 8hz. One day when I am rich I will buy a pipe organ.

The Atlantic City Convention Hall organ has a 64' mixed diaphone/dulzian rank that can hit 8Hz. It also has ten ranks of various flue and reed 32' stops at 16Hz. I believe it's also the only pipe organ capable of playing a 128'/4Hz resultant. Originally it was to have two 64' stops but they had to scale it back as it wouldn't fit in even the building.

The Sydney Town Hall instrument is the only other organ in the world with a full-length 64' stop. A big reed in this case. Also the world's largest tracker organ, and fully functional. See here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_FXoyr_FyFw
 
From the Ascent for synthesizer. With a -2db peak at 15hz.

Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -14.407909
5.383301 -18.403168
8.074951 -13.626184
10.766602 -10.179425
13.458252 -3.863049
16.149902 -3.282039
18.841553 -9.053414
21.533203 -2.668662
24.224854 -1.958980
26.916504 -6.813315
29.608154 -2.487742
32.299805 -0.604391
34.991455 -3.616055
37.683105 -6.874670
40.374756 -5.193889
43.066406 -5.194069
45.758057 -2.037024
48.449707 -2.559423
51.141357 -5.626187
 

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The Atlantic City Convention Hall organ has a 64' mixed diaphone/dulzian rank that can hit 8Hz. It also has ten ranks of various flue and reed 32' stops at 16Hz. I believe it's also the only pipe organ capable of playing a 128'/4Hz resultant. Originally it was to have two 64' stops but they had to scale it back as it wouldn't fit in even the building.

The Sydney Town Hall instrument is the only other organ in the world with a full-length 64' stop. A big reed in this case. Also the world's largest tracker organ, and fully functional. See here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_FXoyr_FyFw

If they ever get that organ fixed I will have to go see it. Is it in the Atlantic city that is in NJ?

Also, Toccata and Fugue is my favorite song. So much so that i actually memorized the Toccata and can play it. (although not well)
 
This isn't amazingly low until you consider that it is a saxophone. Specifically the contrabass saxophone in Eb. You can check it out here.

1.345825 -38.587215
2.691650 -39.254677
4.037476 -39.712467
5.383301 -41.246838
6.729126 -39.918419
8.074951 -39.370461
9.420776 -38.385448
10.766602 -37.940826
12.112427 -34.754498
13.458252 -29.664164
14.804077 -29.714548
16.149902 -35.139027
17.495728 -36.941624
18.841553 -35.951431
20.187378 -36.001732
21.533203 -34.017666
22.879028 -31.977211
24.224854 -31.405428
25.570679 -35.132782
26.916504 -34.448521
28.262329 -32.240250
29.608154 -31.591879
30.953979 -35.226685
32.299805 -34.490120
33.645630 -33.529171
34.991455 -22.871735
36.337280 -15.376439
37.683105 -18.678804
39.028931 -30.087549
40.374756 -30.834959
41.720581 -30.668585
43.066406 -29.401594
44.412231 -31.675228
45.758057 -31.030199
47.103882 -32.432766
48.449707 -34.558033
49.795532 -33.203121
51.141357 -33.593296
 

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The recent recurrence in a usefulness of subwoofers in music thread in General Audio has once again revealed the myth that music albums contain no information below roughly 50 Hz and that deep bass is only to be found in movies.

hmmm...

1. Are you talking about vinyl record albums in your stated "record albums"?...or digital formats because your first graph references a SACD.

2. Where in that thread is this revelation that music (as opposed to HT) doesn't contain deep bass?
 
This is fun

Here's the Baltimore Symphony with David Zinman and Samuel Barber's Second Essay for Orchestra.

Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -15.667618
5.383301 -18.951559
8.074951 -19.557400
10.766602 -21.898312
13.458252 -18.730974
16.149902 -13.827261
18.841553 -14.237175
21.533203 -16.834824
24.224854 -15.580935
26.916504 -5.482078
29.608154 6.480471
32.299805 7.624704
34.991455 0.473018
37.683105 -5.071578
40.374756 -12.744106
43.066406 -13.245041
45.758057 -5.209418
48.449707 -2.189938
51.141357 -4.794616
53.833008 -4.606524
56.524658 -6.034169
59.216309 -11.314164
61.907959 -9.122354
64.599609 -8.888054
67.291260 -9.875223
69.982910 -3.277635
72.674561 -3.094223
75.366211 -2.202263
78.057861 -1.331230
80.749512 -1.668921
83.441162 -2.270091
86.132813 -2.808364
88.824463 -6.416183
 
Alan Hovhaness Symphony 50 "Mt St Helens" 3rd movement.

Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -10.990010
5.383301 -12.612251
8.074951 -12.906609
10.766602 -12.505727
13.458252 -11.124355
16.149902 -9.453803
18.841553 -10.362958
21.533203 -10.713373
24.224854 -10.071134
26.916504 -8.701653
29.608154 -7.336792
32.299805 -2.874888
34.991455 12.353308
37.683105 18.518866
40.374756 14.733788

43.066406 4.604565
45.758057 1.925001
48.449707 -1.105401
51.141357 -4.670637
53.833008 -2.328293
 
Overture to Phantom of the Opera from Telarc's Chiller.

Frequency (Hz) Level (dB)
2.691650 -17.036818
5.383301 -39.523911
8.074951 -32.182781
10.766602 -29.549519
13.458252 -29.064783
16.149902 -18.124039
18.841553 -3.172113
21.533203 3.430744
24.224854 0.093112
26.916504 -4.069195
29.608154 -8.865570
32.299805 -12.496393
34.991455 -6.985301
37.683105 -1.874290
40.374756 -2.097342
43.066406 1.416581
45.758057 0.698724
48.449707 -6.121877
51.141357 -5.637478
 
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