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Denon DP-47F with Nagaoka MP110

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zjlm

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Hi,

Do any of you have any experience with the Nagaoka MP110 on the Denon DP-47F?

I had my mind set on this cartridge until I learned (a bit) about tonearm mass and compliance.

The Denon DP-47F has a low mass tonearm with Q-damping.

As I understand it, you have to use a high compliance cartridge with a low mass tonarm but I've read online that with Q-damping you should be able to use lower compliance cartridges - is this true?

Are there other cartridges in this price range that would be a better fit for the Denon DP-47F? Maybe Shure M97xE or a Grado cartridge?
 
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I have tried the MP 110 on my DP-47F and was not impressed with the results, which is strange since it sounds great on my Sony PS-X600. It was a quick test, and maybe was not set up ideally. It just did not sound right. I had a DL-160 which my kids destroyed. I got the DL-110 and it is almost as good, but definitely less full sounding. I have to tell you, I am not hugely impressed with the Sure M97xE on most turntables as I think it sounds pretty dull, but on the DP-47F it sounds fantastic.
 
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nbndtrain said:
I have tried the MP 110 on my DP-47F and was not impressed with the results, which is strange since it sounds great on my Sony PS-X600. It was a quick test, and maybe was not set up ideally. It just did not sound right. I had a DL-160 which my kids destroyed. I got the DL-110 and it is almost as good, but definitely less full sounding. I have to tell you, I am not hugely impressed with the Sure M97xE on most turntables as I think it sounds pretty dull, but on the DP-47F it sounds fantastic.
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I'll take this into consideration - the Shure seems like a good option as well.
 
zjlm said:
As I understand it, you have to use a high compliance cartridge with a low mass tonarm but I've read online that with Q-damping you should be able to use lower compliance cartridges - is this true?
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That's true - the electronic Q-damping damps the resonance to such a low level (around 1dB, as opposed to an average 8.5dB, for conventional tonearm/cartridge combinations) that the tonearm will work with any compliance cartridge. Because of that, virtually any cartridge which is the right weight to balance the tonearm will work well, no matter what its compliance. There were plenty of reviews of the Denon Dynamic Servo Tracer tonearm in various turntables, and the very similar Sony Biotracer and JVC Electro-Dynamic Servo tonearms from when they were new, and on all of them no matter which cartridges they tried they all matched extremely well.

In effect, as several reviews said, with the electronic feedback monitoring the tonearms and operating the servo motors to eliminate any unwanted movement, the tonearms were behaving as near as possible to weightless, and they tracked severely warped or off-centre records, the kind which will soon show up a poorly-matched cartridge through poor tracking, with no movement of the cartridge cantilevers to indicate the tonearm was moving around so much.

So any cartridge which fits your budget should work very well.:thumbsup:
 
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ETI_5000 said:
That's true - the electronic Q-damping damps the resonance to such a low level (around 1dB, as opposed to an average 8.5dB, for conventional tonearm/cartridge combinations) that the tonearm will work with any compliance cartridge. Because of that, virtually any cartridge which is the right weight to balance the tonearm will work well, no matter what its compliance. There were plenty of reviews of the Denon Dynamic Servo Tracer tonearm in various turntables, and the very similar Sony Biotracer and JVC Electro-Dynamic Servo tonearms from when they were new, and on all of them no matter which cartridges they tried they all matched extremely well.

In effect, as several reviews said, with the electronic feedback monitoring the tonearms and operating the servo motors to eliminate any unwanted movement, the tonearms were behaving as near as possible to weightless, and they tracked severely warped or off-centre records, the kind which will soon show up a poorly-matched cartridge through poor tracking, with no movement of the cartridge cantilevers to indicate the tonearm was moving around so much.

So any cartridge which fits your budget should work very well.:thumbsup:
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Thank you for this thorough explanation - I couldn't really find any solid information about it online - now I just have to decide if I should go for the Nagaoka MP-110, the Shure m97xe, the Audio Technica AT120eb, or maybe a Goldring, Grado or Ortofon :)
 
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