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Done: Decware ZKIT1 SET tube amps

Huh. That's pretty much what I had been looking for. Wish I had known about that earlier. Though one advantage I guess mine has is that it cost ~$10 for the wood and about $20 for the aluminum top plate I'm waiting on.

The Decware Rachels come up used from time to time. I bought my Mini-Torii used for less than 2/3 of what it goes for new and it's a sweet little amp. The only problem with it is it only has two inputs, and I usually like to have three - phono, streaming and tuner.
 
I merely designed the chassis and handed over my specs to J+K Audio Design. They built the chassis and cut the plates to my design. Of course, this made this project not the ultra affordable it was billed as, but in total, I have two PCB amps (used in mono) for the price of one Decware P2P amp.



See above comment and link. They are also on Facebook, here. And yes, I bought these boards about 13 months ago, and I believe the link is still active, bottom of the page, here.



Oh, hell no.



Your edit says it all. As a hobbyist, the number and kinds of equipment I've heard in my own room with my speakers is very limited. The newest and "nicest" amp I own is the Emotiva XPA-2 gen 2. This is a SS class A/B delivering lots of watts (300 @8 or 500@4) to my 6ohm ESS AMT. It has more impact than these monoblocks, but with 93db efficient speakers, they're not suffering at all in low frequency with the Decware ZKITs. Sure, it has less impact, but I'm blown away by the word I mean to use as "imaging." I no longer hear bass as depth, as extra sound behind and attached to guitar music. I can now hear a distinct bass guitar as separate from the rest of guitar music. And to some extent, I can hear depth and placement, as if a band were performing on a stage.

I'm very impressed.

Thanks, all, for the kind words. It has been a fulfilling project. Next up--using these in an active-crossover, bi-amped setup to power the high frequencies, and the SS amp to power the lows!

I'll be posting videos (ss amp vs. one tube amp stereo vs. two tube amps mono vs. three amps in bi-amp) to my Instagram and Youtube pages.
Am i the only one thinking that DIY, means Do It Yourself? That you do the work, or at least most of it. From my own experiences, building the chassis is THE MOST WORK. Don't get me wrong, i think your amps turned out nice. But, sourcing the metal and cutting all the holes, building the base, all that stuff takes a lot of time and effort measuring and marking, double and triple checking. Making mistakes and starting over again.
If you showed some aluminum plate, a plank of 1 x 6 clear mahagoney, as what you started with and the finished chassis as the end product i wold be very impressed. But farming that work out means you missed out on half the fun. I am not trying to troll you just trying to inject some perspective.
 
Am i the only one thinking that DIY, means Do It Yourself? That you do the work, or at least most of it. From my own experiences, building the chassis is THE MOST WORK. Don't get me wrong, i think your amps turned out nice. But, sourcing the metal and cutting all the holes, building the base, all that stuff takes a lot of time and effort measuring and marking, double and triple checking. Making mistakes and starting over again.
If you showed some aluminum plate, a plank of 1 x 6 clear mahagoney, as what you started with and the finished chassis as the end product i wold be very impressed. But farming that work out means you missed out on half the fun. I am not trying to troll you just trying to inject some perspective.
Emphasis above in bold is mine. Seems a little harsh to me. The OP acquired parts and assembled. Seems DIY to me. Not everyone has the skill, tools, or space to build a chassis.

Merry Christmas!
-Dave
 
Am i the only one thinking that DIY, means Do It Yourself? That you do the work, or at least most of it. From my own experiences, building the chassis is THE MOST WORK. Don't get me wrong, i think your amps turned out nice. But, sourcing the metal and cutting all the holes, building the base, all that stuff takes a lot of time and effort measuring and marking, double and triple checking. Making mistakes and starting over again.
If you showed some aluminum plate, a plank of 1 x 6 clear mahagoney, as what you started with and the finished chassis as the end product i wold be very impressed. But farming that work out means you missed out on half the fun. I am not trying to troll you just trying to inject some perspective.

I mean, I'm just really proud that I just now learned how to solder. I didn't even know how to use shielded wire. I still don't even know how to use my multimeter...
 
I built one of these on a Hammond chassis a few years ago. I had the circuit board from Decware, but wound up just wiring the amp up point-to-point instead of using the board. I didn't like the way the tubes laid out on the board. Also used a Hammond chassis.

These are great little amps as an introduction to amp building. As 13stoploss mentioned, you can get the schematic and parts list from Decware here .

Here is also the link to the thread where Opa1 and I both built our own little versions of this amp.
EL84-SV83 SET AMP Build

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Dunno how you did it, but I love it, and would love to hear the differences in sound.
 
Dunno how you did it, but I love it, and would love to hear the differences in sound.

I would bet their is no discernible difference in sound from the circuit board version vs the point to point. Opa1's used the circuit board, and it sounded just as nice.
 
I mean, I'm just really proud that I just now learned how to solder. I didn't even know how to use shielded wire. I still don't even know how to use my multimeter...
You have every right to be proud! Enjoy the fruits of your labor. :beerchug:

-Dave
 
I mean, I'm just really proud that I just now learned how to solder. I didn't even know how to use shielded wire. I still don't even know how to use my multimeter...
Ok, let us break down this down further. You did not mention ;
How much did you spend on the cost of the 2 chassis tops? Who designed the template for the mounting holes.
How much did it cost for the wood bases.
The circuit boards and parts to stuff them.
I am guessing the the metal plate and the wood base was at least 2/3 of the cost.
You bought Edcor trannys ( i must applaud you for a good choice there, so that was about 300 for them.
Just trying to get an idea of how much DIY costs nowadays. I wanna know if i need to start an extra savings program (aka part time job), or start looking for a "sugar mama".
 
Part of DIY, besides the satisfaction of having it turn out and working. Is to either make something better than what is commercially available and to have it cost less than what is professionally available.
So, if this project cost less than getting 2 Decaware amps that the circuit boards are based on then i would say well done and kudos.
 
Ok, let us break down this down further. You did not mention ;
How much did you spend on the cost of the 2 chassis tops? Who designed the template for the mounting holes.
How much did it cost for the wood bases.
The circuit boards and parts to stuff them.
I am guessing the the metal plate and the wood base was at least 2/3 of the cost.
You bought Edcor trannys ( i must applaud you for a good choice there, so that was about 300 for them.
Just trying to get an idea of how much DIY costs nowadays. I wanna know if i need to start an extra savings program (aka part time job), or start looking for a "sugar mama".

2x Decware ZKIT1 PCBs = $90
Parts list x2 = under $120-140? I don't remember the exact/actual cost here, but it was less than $200
2x Edcor PT + 4x Edcor OPT = $265
2x Chassis (all plates, volume pots, binding posts) = $700

If I initially had $1100 for an amp, I wouldn't have built these. And I certainly didn't intend to pay $700 for chassis, but the small 60s Pioneer speaker cabinets I was going to use ended up being too small. By this point, I had already dumped $450+ into the boards, parts, and transformers, and didn't have anything to mount them to. I looked at the other options, such as those listed above this post, but none of them gave me what I was looking for, aesthetically.

The cardboard template below is my second and final sketch of the layout and dimensions I wanted: big ass Edcor PT up top, OPTs hanging inside the chassis up front (to avoid wide chassis), and little anything but the tubes sticking out. Minimal, mid-century inspired. No garish or gaudy design elements, just a beautiful, simple box. Everything on the top plate is based on the 6x6" Decware PCB. Then I set the PT down on the cardboard and made sure the leads would make it to the board. Same with the OPTs. In my sketch, I had the binding posts on the back face of the amp, but in consultation with J+K, they recommended going up top on either side of the PT due to space.

Dozens of emails later, they sent me a CAD file for the top plate and the back plate (cut out of IEC w/fuse and mini rocker switch). Then I gave them the dimensions of the actual box that I wanted. As I said in my first post, I now wish I had gone an inch shorter in height. A little bit lower would be a little bit gooder, aesthetically.

If I had a garage, a table saw, a mitre saw, and a router--plus the knowledge and experience in knowing how to use these tools--I would have attempted to make my own boxes. As it is, I feel comfortable saying I designed the boxes and top plate. And I'm happy with the quality of the work that was returned to me.


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Part of DIY, besides the satisfaction of having it turn out and working. Is to either make something better than what is commercially available and to have it cost less than what is professionally available.
So, if this project cost less than getting 2 Decaware amps that the circuit boards are based on then i would say well done and kudos.

Essentially, over a period of 2-3 months, I went from budget $250 per amp to about $550 per amp. The Decware Zen amp I was looking at retails for $999-1199. I basically built two of them, PCB instead of P2P, for the price of one. Now that I've completed my MA from Hopkins couple weeks ago, I'm not currently coaching two Little League teams, my wife kicked cancer's ass, I can say that I have a little more time on my hands to tackle some projects--including finishing these couple weeks ago. I'm broke now, but basic woodworking is on my list.

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2x Decware ZKIT1 PCBs = $90
Parts list x2 = under $120-140? I don't remember the exact/actual cost here, but it was less than $200
2x Edcor PT + 4x Edcor OPT = $265
2x Chassis (all plates, volume pots, binding posts) = $700


If I had a garage, a table saw, a mitre saw, and a router--plus the knowledge and experience in knowing how to use these tools--I would have attempted to make my own boxes. As it is, I feel comfortable saying I designed the boxes and top plate. And I'm happy with the quality of the work that was returned to me.
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It was not my intention to cast aspersions on your build as i admire your choice of using local shops and vendors as essential to the long term continuance of our hobby. My critique or viewpoint is that i would rather invest in tools and raw materials to build the chassis and top plate, and various parts like wire, tube sockets, hardware, etc. This would set me up for the next project or 2, or 3, and who knows?
According to your numbers you spent around 1200 for the 2 amps. That is not bad but you could also get a lot of kit with that amount of moola.
 
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My thanks for posting up and actual cost (avg. I'm sure).. Early pics of dual transformers and electronics bottom end... no venting in the whole box? from bottom end.. ??
 
My thanks for posting up and actual cost (avg. I'm sure).. Early pics of dual transformers and electronics bottom end... no venting in the whole box? from bottom end.. ??

There are vented bottom plates, but I didn't show them. Will try to get more pics soon. In the meantime, here are the amps in action, powering a pair of refurbished Fisher XP-7 speakers that I'm working on:

 
13stoploss,

Firstly, great looking amps- you did a wonderful job on them. If you haven't started rolling tubes through them you might want to spend some time getting acquainted with options. But be careful, it can be dangerous... I've never heard a pair of the ESS AMT-1a speakers, however I've seen a pic of the crossovers and it looked like they used electrolytic caps. Those would surely need replacing. Those tweeters are sweet for sure!

Secondly, I did exactly as you did with my first diy project, built two ZKIT1's and monoblocked them. They have only gotten better with time. The fewer "things" you can put between the initial audio signal, those amps, and the speakers, the better. Steve (Deckert) seems to lean towards the minimalist approach and I think it suits these amps well. Playback can get pretty inspiring with a clean audio chain and well revealing speakers.

I couldn't tell from your pictures what tubes you are using but there are some rebadged Tungsram input tubes for sale over in Barter Town, pretty good stuff for the cash...
http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/nos-dumont-6922-ecc88-6dj8-tubes.687258/
In my system, the input tubes have a greater effect on how the amp sounds but the output tubes also play a role. Right now I am listening to my ZKIT's with a Brimar ECC88 and Holland produced Hammond EL84 tube compliment and it is quite wonderful. I lucked into a pair of Decware HDT speakers and have been just tickled with the combination.

I will agree with you that the dynamics of these fleewatt amps are not that of other contenders in the audio world, but the things to be gained in depth and texture are something else.

At any rate... enough of my late night ramble,

You made awesome amps ;)
 
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