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Dual 1009 vs 1225

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nashvillebill

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I have just picked up a Dual 1009, one of the first models without cueing or anti-skate. (Alas it didn't have a base or cover but I'm making a base now)

I'm running a 1225 on my computer-room stereo...I'm curious whether the 1009 would be an upgrade, though I would miss the cueing (for ripping to computer). The 1009 does fit the 1225 base BTW.

If it would be an upgrade over the 1225, I'd put either a Shure V15II or M97XE on it (depending on what I want to keep on the Dual 721 in the bedroom).

Thoughts anybody?
 
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nashvillebill said:
I have just picked up a Dual 1009, one of the first models without cueing or anti-skate. (Alas it didn't have a base or cover but I'm making a base now)

I'm running a 1225 on my computer-room stereo...I'm curious whether the 1009 would be an upgrade, though I would miss the cueing (for ripping to computer). The 1009 does fit the 1225 base BTW.

If it would be an upgrade over the 1225, I'd put either a Shure V15II or M97XE on it (depending on what I want to keep on the Dual 721 in the bedroom).

Thoughts anybody?
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1225 is much better than a 1009. Easier to find parts for (except for idlers, you can have them rebuilt). Headshells for 1009 and other 1000 series are unobtainable, 1200 series merely expensive. Good automatic, well built. I owned one back in the day and it was superb.
 
Ok, thanks, I will stay with the 1225 (I've got a Shure M91ED on the 1225 with a Parts Express stylus and it sounds great).

I fired up the 1009 and it works well for a 40+ year old unit. Looks like it's been serviced in the last 15 years or so, so I will keep it and use it somewhere.....Yes, I noticed the older style cartridge holder, which is a PITA since my 1211, 1225, and 721 all use the same holder.
 
As a cool old vintage piece, the 1009 has appeal, but it was really designed for primitive mid-sixties cartridges, like the Shure M3D, affectionately known as the "nail."

The next major leap was to the 1019, a much better table. Then they went to the 1209 and from there to the 1218. The 1225 followed the 1218 in the series. So, there was a great deal of engineering development between the 1009 and the 1225.

Properly tuned up, the 1225 can handle some truly excellent modern cartridges, like the Ortofon 2M Bronze.

Fred
 
Thanks for the info! I *think* I had a 1009 for a while back in college in the late 70's so it is a neat little vintage machine.
 
I had a 1009sk for many years. I learned a lot from it, as I had to figure out what was keeping it from working correctly. But when I finally sold it, it was functioning like new and was great for stacking 45s and 78s. I think I will always look on it fondly, but I prefer my other turntables that I have now. I would suggest putting your faith in the 1225.
 
Stuck on 1009s

Your 1225 has more features like antiskate and a cue. Its a decent table. That said I have had a bunch of the first generation 1009's. Originally, my first was for parts. Damned thing was too good to part out. Made it a project. Put a work horse Shure cart on it and it sounded great. Given several away due to the wife factor. More keep showing up. Got two in duty currently. Stuck on it. See my other posts today. Like you I have a 12 series in the form of a 1229. That platter on the 1009 was a manhole cover in a prior life. To me me they are a keepers. Well made and sound great. Set the tracking at a gram and a half and way I go.

Eric:music:

PS if you ever want to part with yours drop me a line.

ET
 
I had a 1009 for a couple of months just about two years ago. It was my first Dual, and I fell in love with the old girl. She had one of those Shure M3D carts, too. What a rich sound came out of some really old LPs I had. Unfortunately, it developed some reoccurring problems in the automatic functions that drove the fellows I bought it from (with a 90 day warranty) nuts. They actually had it back in the shop most of the time I owned it. Finally they insisted on buying it back from me, but I kept that old Shure cartridge. I recently got a Dual 1229, which I have succeeded in restoring enough that it only has minor problems now and sounds great (with a Pickering XV-15/400E cart), but if I had a 1009 in reasonably good working order, I would have to keep it as a backup table. I know I couldn't part with it.

Hey, this is my first post. I just registered yesterday.
 
The 1009 can be considered exceptionally good for what it is. I have one that my family bought new back in '66 or something like that. It originally came with a rather decent cart (considering the timeframe), a M44G.

I've succesfully mounted and used a Stanton 681EEE on that deck. Compliance issues made tracking a nightmare, especially with the floating chasis. But when I removed the springs and tightened the chasis on the plinth mounting it all on a heavy marble tabletop, it played rather well.

But rumble was quite audible. What was surprising was that even though it didn't come with a grounding wire to connect to the amp, I never had serious hum issues from that deck. Only some sensitivity when it was placed close to the amp.

I really need to bring it up from storage and see how it runs. But it would never be my main TT anymore. Quite outdated.
 
Welcome, illinoisteve!

I have decided to put the 1009 in the bedroom as a backup to the 721. Though the 1009 is outdated, is does have a certain charm to it....

Could this be a warning sign of our addiction--not just that we have more than one stereo system, but that we have backup turntables.....
 
nashvillebill said:
Welcome, illinoisteve!
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Could this be a warning sign of our addiction--not just that we have more than one stereo system, but that we have backup turntables.....
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Thanks for the welcome, Bill. For a long time, I snagged any cheap turntable I found that had the 78 speed, afraid I would wake up one day and not have anything to play those old disks if I didn't. Since I recently got a Dual 1229, I have been getting rid of some of those spares. Found a used record shop that sells old tables and will buy them, too, for cash or store credit. Some of those backup TTs are turning into new old vinyl! --Steve
 
Welcome Illinoisteve! I also just added a 1229 to my inventory and asked NoTransistors to restore it for me. As I said on a separate thread, he did an awesome job and I'm really enjoying it.

Not to hijack this thread, but to be candid, what I like most about my Dual is that massive platter. As someone else recently noted, it's like a manhole cover.

Back to this thread: great discussion and back and forth. So typical of this forum.
 
beeg, I think I read that post. Even the 10" platters, as on the 1009, are massive. As you know, if you buy one long distance, the platters have to be either packed separately or fastened down securely; otherwise, it's like there's a sledgehammer head bouncing around inside if they slide off the shaft, and UPS delivers a carton of smithereens to your door. They never sound the same after that.
 
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