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Dual + Denon DL160????

soma89

soma89

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Hey guys,
I really wanted to buy an affordable turntable to use with my Dl160. I'm thinking of getting a Dual 1219, 1229, or 1019 just because I've always wanted one. Do you think a Dl160 would fit them well soundwise? If not, what's a turntable that would shine with this cart that isn't gonna break the bank?
 
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I just picked up a dual 1219 and also have a technics SL1310. I used a dl160 on both of the decks and couldn't hear a huge difference with either combination. Imho I would get a technics for that cart because it is a tad quieter on it than the dual. That being said I don't think you will be disgruntled with the dual/ denon combo. If I hadn't had the technics I would have been very satisfied to not know the difference.

Enjoy the pursuit of your sound.
 
Do it. There are others that would work well, but the 160 is a steal with little competition at its price.
 
Its really more of a cartridge/arm matching question...with regards to compliance of cartridge and the Effective Mass of the Dual Tonearm. I dont know this particular Dual Table's Tonearm specs.....but Im using a ZETA Tonearm on my VPI, and the Denon DL-110 which is close to the DL-160, slightly stiffer compliance.....its a nice match...However I think that the DL-160 cart. may be a little stiff for the Dual Tonearm. Aren't those Dual Tonearms very very Low Mass??? Im not sure. But check into the match of Arm/Compliance of cartridge. Ray





joel27 said:
I just picked up a dual 1219 and also have a technics SL1310. I used a dl160 on both of the decks and couldn't hear a huge difference with either combination. Imho I would get a technics for that cart because it is a tad quieter on it than the dual. That being said I don't think you will be disgruntled with the dual/ denon combo. If I hadn't had the technics I would have been very satisfied to not know the difference.

Enjoy the pursuit of your sound.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "stiff" but I believe the dual arm is termed "ultra low mass" so I'm sure that the dl160 may not be the best match on paper.
 
Hi Joel,

I was referring to the compliance of the cartridge(DL-160) the stiff I meant was the cantilever compliance. Its kind of like thinking of shocks on your car. With amn Ultra Light Arm, you'd want a softer, less stiff compliance cartridge. With a Heavy Arm, like my ZETA which is 16 Gram Effective Mass(High Mass Arm)...Id be looking more for a Low Compliant cartridge (more Stiff) so that the arm isnt crushing down on the cantilever. Thus tracking would be better, no matter how I set the VTF. If you use a low Compliant cartridge, on a Low Mass Arm, the cartridge would be bouncing all over the record while playing, especially if there were any warps in a record. Yet with a High Compliant cartridge, like Shure's on a Low Mass arm, the cartridge would ride the warps much better, just like shocks on a car, when you ride over bumps. that is why you must match arm mass with cartridge compliance when choosing....the best you can match on paper, will help you to get thje best results when actually playing a record. This figure, when calculated on paper, for the Resonant Frequency of a Arm/Cartridge should be in the ideal range of 9-12 Hz. If you have a good Test record, like one of the Shure Trackability Records, or the HiFi News Test record, there are tracks on the LP, that allow you to listen to the resonant Frequency of your Arm/Cartridge match. Sometimes what works out on paper, doesn't always work out in real world conditions. I have been able to use a Grado Signature TLZ with my ZETA successfully, with a Res. Freq. of 10 Hz. ...yet on paper, it didn't calculate that good. It sounded nice playing though. Ray






joel27 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "stiff" but I believe the dual arm is termed "ultra low mass" so I'm sure that the dl160 may not be the best match on paper.
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Thanks Ray. That makes a lot of sense and explains why my previous cart had such fluctuation in the canteliver.
 
joel27 said:
Thanks Ray. That makes a lot of sense and explains why my previous cart had such fluctuation in the canteliver.
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Mine, too. What does this have to do with the OP's question?

Get the friggin' TT you want, stick the 160 on it, enjoy.
 
If you had half a brain, and understood your so called hobby.....then you'd know what it has to do with the OP's question...Its not a good match...get a different table, with a higher mass tonearm..like an S shaped or something..Ray





Tromatic said:
Mine, too. What does this have to do with the OP's question?

Get the friggin' TT you want, stick the 160 on it, enjoy.
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Any updates OP? Did TandbergRay fill you mind with confusing BS? Get the TT you want, and if you decide to do so, stick a 160 on there and be happy. Anyone who bases TT/cart purchases on paper specs, especially when looking at vintage TT's has way to much time on his hands and is wound too tight to enjoy what he listens too anyway.
 
TandbergRay said:
If you had half a brain, and understood your so called hobby.....then you'd know what it has to do with the OP's question...Its not a good match...get a different table, with a higher mass tonearm..like an S shaped or something..Ray
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Dude said he wants a Dual, and wondered if a 160 would work and sound good. The answer is yes, despite your spec-fetish. OP, get your Dual and if you get the 160 you will have ane excellent cart that you can use on your next TT as well. Start having thermal-spec-spasmutations when you start spending a grand or more.
 
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Hello to OP,

Dont listen to this guy, I will reserve the true words to describe him. He knows nothing about Turntables, and Hi End Audio....you can relax and enjoy the music, once you get the combo's right. There is a reason different cartridges have different compliances. And same with various Mass of Tonearms....Read for yourself, and you will learn...try the Vinyl Engine..more knowledgeable Turntable Fanatics than seem to be here......Ray



Tromatic said:
Any updates OP? Did TandbergRay fill you mind with confusing BS? Get the TT you want, and if you decide to do so, stick a 160 on there and be happy. Anyone who bases TT/cart purchases on paper specs, especially when looking at vintage TT's has way to much time on his hands and is wound too tight to enjoy what he listens too anyway.
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TandbergRay said:
Hello to OP,

Dont listen to this guy, I will reserve the true words to describe him. He knows nothing about Turntables, and Hi End Audio....you can relax and enjoy the music, once you get the combo's right. There is a reason different cartridges have different compliances. And same with various Mass of Tonearms....Read for yourself, and you will learn...try the Vinyl Engine..more knowledgeable Turntable Fanatics than seem to be here......Ray
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Does everyone over at vinyl engine have a cob up their ass?
 
Tarl Of Gor said:
Does everyone over at vinyl engine have a cob up their ass?
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So, T'berg. OP wants a nice Dual for whatever reason and was wondering if a DL-160 would sound good on it. It may not be the best choice, but it will sound just fine. And if the OP decides to upgrade, the 160 will happily follow until he gets up into pompous-phile territory with you.

Please, as you are the spec-master, provide us with a detailed analysis of why a Dual and 160 will not work and bring about the end times.

OP, if you want to see T'berg stroke out, ask if your Dual TT choice would work with a Denon DL-103.
 
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TandbergRay said:
Unlike you and your ButtBoys....No. Now fire up your Sounddesign all in one system, and see how wonderful your vinyl sounds. Ray
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The ButtBoys? We broke up years ago! Memories, man...... Check out my latest gig, 'The Suprise Buttsecks!'. On vinyl, too.

My current rig probably does not even begin to compare with the esoteric gear you must be using, but mine is listed in every post. Please tell my why a DL-103 will not work with a Pioneer PL-41A.

OP, see how tense the spec-freaks are?
 
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We all know you are correct, Tenseberg, if we were talking about the kind of hi-end gear of the sort you have. When adjusting the ZYX Diamond-G on the EAR Disc Master in your servants quarters bathroom all of the issues you raise are important.

On a Dual with a Denon? Please.
 
OP, see how tense the spec-freaks are?
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No different than watching a Ford engineer have a heart attack when I would use my 1/2 inch impact to torque the rear main cap bolts on a 460.
 
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