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Dynaco SCA-35 project

smgager

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I,ve been wanting a clasic tube amp for a while and there seems to be a lot of stuff out there for the SCA-35 so I just ebayed this one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DYNACO-SCA-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I plan on taking the next year to rebuild it with the boards from Dave's Store parts from Dynakit parts.

http://www.tronola.com/html/daves_store.html

www.dynakitparts.com

I'll post as I go please let me know if I'm doing anything stupid.

Pics when the amp shows up at my door!
 

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Nice buy and at a good price, IMO. With replacement boards and parts you won't need a year to get it going, unless you want to spread out the fun.
 
I'm only sorry Dave's boards weren't available when I did mine. Fortunately Dave was . Good luck with it!
 
I did a few simple mods with my SCA35, see http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/sca35.html. One mod is a way to get DC for the phono preamp tubes (the heaters become the cathode resistor for the output tubes), another to get more highs from the phono preamp (change a cap), and another to make the "tape head" input become a line level input.
 
Thanks for all the advice. I ordered an efb power board from Dave and a top cage, bottom cover, and led power light from Kevin at dynakitparts. I already had a set of actual RCA NOS 7119s so the preamp and amp boards are from ebay. I only need two line in and a phone so I think that I'll leave the tape head input alone, but I'm game for a preamp mod if it is worth it. Any thoughts are welcome. The amp should arrive in the next few days any advice on cleaning would be great as well.

Thank you all. This is going to be fun!
 
Oh... So I'm a little, not much, but a little nervous about driving my Forte II with the SCA-35. Any of you have thoughts? My Forte IIs are perfect with recapped networks and the original tweeters. I had Bob Crite's Ti tweeters in for a while, but I like the originals in the my Forte's. The Ti tweeters are in my KG4s.
 
The SCA-35 really is a sweet little integrated, with the few mods,plus DC on the 12AX7's, one has a real jewel! And with a pair of very good efficient speakers, it would be a top competitor against any system out there.
 
That is my hope and the Forte IIs are "very good efficient speakers".

So I guess my question is what beyond Dave's EFB power supply mod should I do to this amp?
 
Hey wa2sie do you have instructions for your preamp mod that are translated all the way down to stupid? Stupid being replace this with that. I can do amazing things with spatial data in a database, but here I am a n00b.
 
Oh and the phono preamp get more highs mod?
Looked for a picture of the phono board, this is a replacement board that I think has the same parts layout. On the right is what I think is the old board, looks like the cap in question might be a silver mica. :scratch2:
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see the tan colored cap on the left edge in this picture, and the other channel's in the same spot relative to its tube. You should be able to find a brownish or reddish or yellowish ceramic cap, or a silver mica, at these locations on your board. Look closely and you might see "330" written on it. It should be the only caps that are not green or that cyan color. Depending on your skill at soldering and working on boards this old, I'd just solder the new caps on the bottom of the board, (the old cap would function to physically keep the traces attached to the board) and then clip the old caps away, using side cutters that won't impact any force downwards on the board (you don't want to cause the board traces to get pushed off).

If you are experienced at solder work on boards like these (careful, as it doesn't take much to cause the copper traces to lift (peel away from) the board, you could use some solder wick to remove the old solder, then inset the new caps' leads. then solder.
 

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Hey wa2sie do you have instructions for your preamp mod that are translated all the way down to stupid? ... I can do amazing things with spatial data in a database, but here I am a n00b.

I'm a noob when it comes to software and firmware (I was playing with Linksys WRT54G routers, one can flash these with 3rd party firmware, some of which lets you install and write code to do stuff. Anyway, hopefully these pictures will show what you need:

Practice cutting traces on some junk boards like these, if you don't have experience doing that.

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Once you have it done, now you need to make a few measurements to be sure it's doing what we want. The phono preamp tubes will take twice as long to warm up (they will likely glow a little bit less than they did before, that's okay for these tubes anyway). Reason why the phono preamp tubes take longer to warm up is that no current flows thru their heaters until the outputs are warmed up. Measuring with a voltmeter you should see about 24 volts between ground and the 6BQ5 heaters (be careful of the high voltages elsewhere under that chassis!). Use insulated clip leads, and attach them to the chassis (ground) and the 6BQ5 cathodes wire before you turn the amp on, if you are not familiar with vacuum tube amp work. This to reduce the chances you touch high voltage. If you get about 24 or so volts, then try playing some music from a line source. If that sounds good, then try a phono source (but realize you need to put the cage on the top of the amp to keep external hum getting in). You should only hear some hiss, and almost no hum at all.

Other safety rules: wear shoes or sneakers, long sleeve shirt and long pants, keep one hand in a pocket. Do not hold the chassis in one hand and a probe in the other. You want to avoid a shock current across your heart.
 

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Thank you wa2ise! From the tracking info it looks like my amp should arrive in time for the weekend.

Here is the list of mods I am planning on doing to the SCA-35:

1. EFB board from Dave. (Can I do the mod for DC to the 12AX7s still?)

2. New amp boards (7119)

3. New phono board with wa2ise’s mod (the boards that I ordered come populated so I’ll drop them in stock at first)

4. Use the filter switch to make the tone controls switchable.


Be careful about third party firmware for your router. Everything you send goes through it. The question you should ask is do I trust the person who is writing this code not to spy on me?
 
SM -- The modification for operating the phono preamp tube heaters from the DC current of the output stage would not be compatible with the EFB(tm) modification.

The EFB modification (in part) converts the output stage to operate with fixed bias, and as one byproduct of that, allows the output stage to operate at reduced quiescent current levels for cooler operation and longer tube life. EFB action then allows the tubes to idle at an even lower quiescent current level than straight fixed bias operation would require.

On the other hand, the modification to operate the phono preamp tube heaters off of the output stage current flow maintains the original cathode bias format of the original design, and necessarily means that the original current flow of the output stage must be maintained, since the 12AX7 preamp tube heaters require (optimally) 150 ma of current flow through them for proper heating (in 12 volt configuration), which is basically what the stock current flow level through the output stage is. By comparison, the EFB modification allows the output tubes to (collectively) draw only 104 ma, cutting the quiescent current flow by nearly 1/3 of that for the cathode bias arrangement, in addition to producing more power and lower distortion than the cathode bias arrangement is capable of as well.

Personally, I have found that the hum balance controls do a very good job of balancing out phono preamp hum in the SCA 35, since the wiring for these circuits is fixed on a circuit board. If you want your cake and eat it too, you might consider installing the EFB modification, and then powering the phono preamp heaters off of a little 12 volt 300 ma DC wall wart plugged into the back of the SCA-35. This would require you to convert the 12AX7s to 12 volt operation, but otherwise should be a relatively easy job to do. It's just a thought.

Good luck with your project!

Dave
 
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Thanks for the advice. So that synchs it. I already have your EFB board so I am committed there. I have cheap preamp and amp ebay boards from china on the way that I am going to drop in stock so no mod there and I'm going to do the filter switch takes the tone controls out mod.

Cool. The amp will be here on Friday. The is going to be a great weekend.
 
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Thank you wa2ise! From the tracking info it looks like my amp should arrive in time for the weekend.

Here is the list of mods I am planning on doing to the SCA-35:

1. EFB board from Dave. (Can I do the mod for DC to the 12AX7s still?)


Be careful about third party firmware for your router. Everything you send goes through it. The question you should ask is do I trust the person who is writing this code not to spy on me?

I'm not sure what the EFB board has in the cathode circuit of the output tubes, but I suspect my DC mod for the preamp tubes isn't comparable.

Oh, the 3rd party firmware is from OpenWRT and DD_WRT. These seem to have a sizable community, so any back doors may be known by now... :scratch2:
 
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