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Early Solid State amps

scott1019

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I am seeking out MC50's, MC100's (very rare I'm told), a MC2100, or a MC250.

This would be my first foray into McIntosh gear beyond looking and admiring. A tech friend I know and trust ranks these among the best value in terms of reliability/musicality of any amps ever built and are basically solid state versions of the earlier tube offerings. Is there some merit to these claims?

Can I assume at this point that none of the caps will be any good on any of these amps after all these years? If so, are there specific caps that really make these amps sing?
 
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I am seeking out MC50's, MC100's (very rare I'm told), a MC2100, or a MC250.

This would be my first foray into McIntosh gear beyond looking and admiring. A tech friend I know and trust ranks these among the best value in terms of reliability/musicality of any amps ever built and are basically solid state versions of the earlier tube offerings. Is there some merit to these claims?

Can I assume at this point that none of the caps will be any good on any of these amps after all these years? If so, are there specific caps that really make these amps sing?
If they had the "musicality" of a tube amp, an MC2100 would cost $3500 like an MC275. :D

Personally (this is just me), I get really nervous when I see multi-section, twist-prong caps in any unit. They are obsolete and replacement usually is much more of a hassle than replacing a cap on a circuit board. The 2120 and 2200 series, I believe, are the first models not to use these.
 
I am seeking out MC50's, MC100's (very rare I'm told), a MC2100, or a MC250.

This would be my first foray into McIntosh gear beyond looking and admiring. A tech friend I know and trust ranks these among the best value in terms of reliability/musicality of any amps ever built and are basically solid state versions of the earlier tube offerings. Is there some merit to these claims?

Can I assume at this point that none of the caps will be any good on any of these amps after all these years? If so, are there specific caps that really make these amps sing?

Not that I know from personal experience mind you, but I have read the same thing about McIntosh's SS offerings emulating their tube gear.
I am a new to McIntosh as well. Now I have never had Bryston, Krell, insert uber brand here type amplification for my stereo gear. Guitar amps are another matter entirely lol. I can say that coming from a bi-amped Marantz consumer friendly AVR and hooking up my 7150 was a night and day difference. The proverbial heavenly gates opened up, St. Peter said hey, etc.
I cannot imagine not having this amp and honestly cannot understand how it could be even better for that matter.
I guess the gist of all this is that I would vote a veritable yes at any McIntosh power amplifier because everything that I have read here and everywhere else is that this company doesn't make a bad amplifier.
Good luck!
 
I think if more AKers would subject themselves to A/B/X comparisons, they'd be mortified at the outcome. I dare ANY AKer to A/B/X an MC250 vs a MC240 and hear the difference. Of course, both amplifiers need to be functioning to spec and gain matched so that both amps make the exact same power at a given volume setting.

Dare ya.
 
I am seeking out MC50's, MC100's (very rare I'm told), a MC2100, or a MC250.

This would be my first foray into McIntosh gear beyond looking and admiring. A tech friend I know and trust ranks these among the best value in terms of reliability/musicality of any amps ever built and are basically solid state versions of the earlier tube offerings. Is there some merit to these claims?

The build quality and construction used on their early solid state amps is top notch.

Can I assume at this point that none of the caps will be any good on any of these amps after all these years?

Some of the models you listed are well over 40 years old. Not only will
lytic caps have deteriorated, but some of the carbon comp resistors likely will as well.
Given the age, the main thing to focus on is the overall cosmetic condition, the rest can be repaired.


If so, are there specific caps that really make these amps sing?

Don't get caught up spending big money on caps expecting different sound.
The Vishay axle caps that can be had from digikey or Mouser make good quality replacements.
The physical size of the new ones will be smaller than the old.
They would look like either of these depending on the size and voltage.

 
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This would be my first foray into McIntosh gear beyond looking and admiring. A tech friend I know and trust ranks these among the best value in terms of reliability/musicality of any amps ever built and are basically solid state versions of the earlier tube offerings. Is there some merit to these claims?

IMHO - I think your friend's views are valid.

If they had the "musicality" of a tube amp, an MC2100 would cost $3500 like an MC275. :D

Hmmm.... I wouldn't be too sure about that...

I think if more AKers would subject themselves to A/B/X comparisons, they'd be mortified at the outcome. I dare ANY AKer to A/B/X an MC250 vs a MC240 and hear the difference. Of course, both amplifiers need to be functioning to spec and gain matched so that both amps make the exact same power at a given volume setting.

Dare ya.

+1 and Amen.

I've been intending to start a thread on this subject but still want to try A/Bing with a humble amp section of a 1980s receiver I have - but haven't gotten around to yet.

Whereas tube vs early SS McIntosh is concerned such as the considerations listed by the OP, I can only relate my experiences - to date - and for whatever it may be worth:

In direct real-time A/B comparisons between an MC 240 & MC 2505, any sonic differences between the two have been utterly, completely (& frustratingly) undetectable - at least to this listener's ears.

I have experimented with both high efficiency horns as well as modern tower Boston Acoustics T1000 speakers. I have experimented with all different types of material - ranging from rock, to classical, to blue grass to opera, to piano solo, vocal solo and even test tones - the result was the same - nothing.

Obviously I know which amp is being played and I frequently found myself thinking I heard something slightly different ("more musical") from the MC 240, but then when I'd flip back to the MC 2505, I'd realize I really wasn't hearing anything different at all.

There is something to be said about the placebo effect - it's simply near impossible to eliminate personal bias from what you're hearing...or what you think you're hearing. It's powerful and it's very real. I really expected to hear a difference - even wanted to, I daresay. But in the final analysis, I'd be lying if I said I could discern between the two and would be very surprised if anyone could.

Again, this has been my experience to date.

This is not to say I regret purchasing a several thousand dollar MC 240. I bought it because I wanted a historically significant piece - from a period when McIntosh was the best that money could buy - as well as for it's aesthetic & classic beauty. And as far as I am concerned, that is 80% of what you're paying for when investing in vintage tube McIntosh.

One man's experience. YMMV.

**EDIT: I should have specified for the OP - the MC 2505 used in my comparo is the metered version of the MC 250, otherwise the two are electrically identical.
 
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I agree with 62caddy, the classic beauty of a 240 or 275 is what makes them what they are, but the 250 and 2100 do sound the same and have a classic simplicity of design that also makes them what they are. Which I prefer is a hard question to answer, the instant on and lack of heat make the 250 very desirable, but then the glow of the tubes on a cold evening cant be matched.
 
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