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early SS Sansui 881, 5000(A/X), eight

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Maybe has been here already.
I'd love to read about differences in sound and build of early Sansui series, late 1960s and early 1970s.
TOTL - 881 vs 5000 vs 5000X vs 5000A vs eight vs eight de luxe vs AU-999 It's all a bit confusing.

I know there was plenty of eight vs eight deluxe so we may leave this out :) Maybe there are some models I never heard of? Would like to know which are capacitor coupled and which DC coupled, also relay or protection circuit but mostly the sound. Oh, also do they all light up the scale only when switched to radio tuner as eight does?

I am looking for something with deep bass and crisp highs, not necessarily very warm.
 
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Of those models you listed, 5000, A and X are all capacitor coupled. These have their own distinct sonic signature, and noticeably different from direct coupled units. The cap coupled sound of the late 60's Sansui gear is typically described as warm, with tight punchy bass and forward/strong presentation in the mids and highs.

I - and many others here - are quite enamored of it, but I understand there are those who are seeking accuracy and lack of coloring in the sound above all else. If you fall into the latter group, these models will probably not suit your fancy. The 5000 in its three variants does not have a relay protection circuit (they are fitted with an SCR triggered protector and not a particularly great one at that) and the original driver boards were failure prone on many units, but excepting those two points, overall build quality is excellent.

Dial scale is only lighted during tuner operation, but is not affected with tape monitor loops being engaged. Phono and Aux modes do black it out however. The 5000 and A have a tape head input, intended for use with R2R decks lacking an integral head amp. These are a relic now, and so this input is unusable unless one removes the head amp from the signal path, whereby it is usable as another Aux input. The 5000X omitted the tape head input and replaced it with a second phono input. The dial scale appearance on the X also received a slight cosmetic refesh.

881 has, if I have understood correctly, the same basic amplifier topology as the 9090 series that came after it, just with less output power. The 881 series is also very well liked by a large contingent of Sansui fans. Again though, given their age and relative lack of technical advancement compared to what Sansui was doing circa 1979-80, more critical listeners may not find them up to their needs. I don't - and haven't yet - owned an 881 series units so my knowledge of them is limited. I'll leave others to fill in the finer details there.

I will say that Sansui entered what is considered the modern era of amplifier design (DC, very high slew rates, very low TIM) around the introduction of the first gen G series receivers and the AU-919 integrated amp, which is the 1978-79 time frame. Everything prior to that was evolutionary in design, and then there was a sudden big jump in amp design sensibilities that constituted a more significant change in their sound going forward.

For those who prefer the ultra clean, uninfluenced sound produced by modern gear, 1978/79 is probably as far back as you can go and still be satisfied. Prior to that, there are characteristics of the Sansui sound that will probably not impress hardcore purists of the sort who are seeking "a wire with gain" type performance, and have a distaste for tone controls and the like.
 
Of those models you listed, 5000, A and X are all capacitor coupled. These have their own distinct sonic signature, and noticeably different from direct coupled units. The cap coupled sound of the late 60's Sansui gear is typically described as warm, with tight punchy bass and forward/strong presentation in the mids and highs.

I - and many others here - are quite enamored of it, but I understand there are those who are seeking accuracy and lack of coloring in the sound above all else. If you fall into the latter group, these models will probably not suit your fancy. The 5000 in its three variants does not have a relay protection circuit (they are fitted with an SCR triggered protector and not a particularly great one at that) and the original driver boards were failure prone on many units, but excepting those two points, overall build quality is excellent.

Dial scale is only lighted during tuner operation, but is not affected with tape monitor loops being engaged. Phono and Aux modes do black it out however. The 5000 and A have a tape head input, intended for use with R2R decks lacking an integral head amp. These are a relic now, and so this input is unusable unless one removes the head amp from the signal path, whereby it is usable as another Aux input. The 5000X omitted the tape head input and replaced it with a second phono input. The dial scale appearance on the X also received a slight cosmetic refesh.

881 has, if I have understood correctly, the same basic amplifier topology as the 9090 series that came after it, just with less output power. The 881 series is also very well liked by a large contingent of Sansui fans. Again though, given their age and relative lack of technical advancement compared to what Sansui was doing circa 1979-80, more critical listeners may not find them up to their needs. I don't - and haven't yet - owned an 881 series units so my knowledge of them is limited. I'll leave others to fill in the finer details there.

I will say that Sansui entered what is considered the modern era of amplifier design (DC, very high slew rates, very low TIM) around the introduction of the first gen G series receivers and the AU-919 integrated amp, which is the 1978-79 time frame. Everything prior to that was evolutionary in design, and then there was a sudden big jump in amp design sensibilities that constituted a more significant change in their sound going forward.

For those who prefer the ultra clean, uninfluenced sound produced by modern gear, 1978/79 is probably as far back as you can go and still be satisfied. Prior to that, there are characteristics of the Sansui sound that will probably not impress hardcore purists of the sort who are seeking "a wire with gain" type performance, and have a distaste for tone controls and the like.
Thx for this.
Although I asked about the early ones it's all interesting. I have only Sansui G-5000. I was thinking about AU-919 but the oval capacitors with paired caps in series inside put me off a bit, I would have to dismantle them and so on, plenty of maintenance. Maybe you could recommend any later model from the early 1980s that would carry similarities to AU-919 in sound and build, but no oval capacitors ok :) ? There is so many models after that, a bit confusing. Sansui AU-G90X?

Also if anyone could add to the opinions about early series like 881, 5000, eight, would appreciate too :)
 
AU-X1 was the follow on model to the AU-919. It does not have dynamic oval capacitors, but is a very complex amplifier to restore, making it a rather costly investment. It is renowned for its phono preamp stage - and is a purists amp - lacking any tone controls. Models after that include the AU-X11, AU-D11 and AU-D11 II. Keep in mind that the 919 and AU-X1 are Sansui's DD/DC design.

Later models from 1981 or so were based on the super feed forward design, and in 1984 or 85 the X Balanced system was introduced. The AU-G99X was the top model X-balanced integrated amp of 1985, and a very good amp indeed. Ultra fast, very clean and accurate sound, and 160WPC at 8 ohms, so plenty of power on tap. These did have tone controls (probably by popular demand) but can be defeated. They feature an orange, digital dual power meter display which dates its appearance now, but doesn't bother me.
 
Yes good run down Sansuiman. I'll add tidbits to this question:

Also if anyone could add to the opinions about early series like 881, 5000, eight, would appreciate too :)

Sansuiman is right on regarding the capacitor coupled receivers such as x000's and integrateds such as 555, 505, 777. They sound different and their design is really more 1960'ties than 70'ties with a sound presentation that sound tube like - not sure if that is due to "leftover" tube design practices or more of a deliberate choice to satisfy the expectations of a public that at the time had been used to a certain sound for more then a decade.

Then at the early 70'ties comes amps like the 666, 999, 888 and as receivers, the Eight, followed by the other single digits, Six, Seven and Eight Deluxe. Those amps have a new generation of amp topology and all sound a bit different than the capacitor coupled amps with a sound that's a bit leaner, tighter and more "HIFI" . In some ways these '70-'75 amps are a nice mix between the older cap coupled sound and the later more evolved and spec wise refined sound that comes from damping factor 100 and THD .002

While the sound continues to evolve toward lower distortion and higher wattage, build quality drops markedly from 1973'ish due to dollar inflation causing the Japanese manufacturers to cut cost across the board in order to stay competitive in the all important american market. This shift is quite clear as you move from the single digits to the xx1 series of receivers and is most pronounced at the entry to mid of the line. After a few years of adjustment, build quality resumes and we see great constructions like 7900, 9900, x17, x19, ..onward as well as the impressive G series of receivers and later yet Alphas of course.

There can be many good reasons to pick a Sansui amp/receiver. Looks/design, power/utility, sound (not to forget :) ) history/rarity/collection etc etc.

Good luck joining the quest...
 
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I was thinking about AU-919 but the oval capacitors with paired caps in series inside put me off a bit

The 717 was a slight step down from the 919, mostly in watts though, and my understanding is that it uses conventional filter caps, not the dual type. My flavor leans towards cap coupled gear, though to have a 717/919 would be the icing on the cake for me :)
 
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