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EEK! Less than 30 days to dump most of my audio collection...

Arkay

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A few months ago, an entire old building collapsed here in Hong Kong, causing some death and injury. Someone had been doing redecoration work on a low-level floor in the building, including knocking out a wall, and this was suspected to have had something do to with the collapse. The wall was not "weight-bearing", but the authorities said the building had also been weakened and overburdened by illegal add-on structures (balconies and such).

In typical bureaucratic fashion, the government launched an immediate, massive over-response after the horse had left the barn (in this case), and expanded their "crackdown" on illegal structures, announcing an inspect-and-enforce program to cover all the older buildings in Hong Kong --tens of thousands of them.

Well, they already got to my building... I got two letters, yesterday and today, giving only 30 days' notice to remove the illegal structures "attached" to my apartment. One of this is a decorative metal structure in the front, that I have nothing more than flowerpots on. No big deal; I won't really miss it.

The OTHER one, in the back facing an alley, is an entirely different matter. This is a large balcony --not an add-on, but a part of the building, which has a steel-framed cemented-over roof and glass windows, etc... The roof and windows are the "illegal structure" added; originally, this was an open balcony. There is a door at the far end of it which leads to another long, covered balcony (which is also accessible from our kitchen). There is NOTHING dangerous about it in any way whatsoever; in fact, it helps prevent accidents, because it would catch anything that might accidentally be dropped from windows above from falling on our heads. If it colllapsed, it wouldn't hurt anyone, unless one of us was inside/under it, and there is no way those big welded steel beams will collapse; they can support tons and are minimally loaded. That space is not only my store-room and "shop" space"; it also functions as our laundry room.

Most importantly...

It is where I keep almost all my excess audio gear! I have SOME gear in my office-room, and some in the living room, but the rest of it, the bulk of the "collection", is all in that room! On top of that, the longer, narrower balcony (also covered, with one contiguous roof) houses dozens of remaining rare boomboxes that I was going to sell (slowly) online. Most of those are worth a few hundred bucks apiece; perhaps five are worth four-figure sums. The market for them is almost entirely overseas, though, and they will become worthless in a hurry if left exposed to the elements for long!

I intended to get rid of MOST of this, anyway... but I figured it would take at least a year. Now I have 30 days in which to not only remove all the contents AND the roof, or face serious financial penalties... or more accurately, my landlord will face severe penalties. NOT a nice situation! I'm going to have to move what I can to the commission-sales places, but some of this gear is too vintage or not high-end enough for them; on those, I'll have to cut deals with wholesalers, which means I'll make nothing or even lose a few bucks, on things which --if I fixed them up first and sold them slowly, would bring (in total) thousands more.

I'm looking at losing at least $10,000 in lost profits under this scenario, even under the current economic conditions, not to mention the loss of the usable space for anything but outdoor sitting (with no view worth mentioning, etc... --it's a good indoor space, but not a place where you would want to sit out-doors, as it is on the wrong side of the building for that.)

The situation also gives me a choice of leaving my clothes washer and dryer outdoors (I can erect a canvas canopy over them, but not a solid structure), or get rid of them and lug my laundry back-and-forth a block or two each way, to pay for a (less effective) commercial laundry to do them.

Technically, the landlord is responsible for the cost of the removals, (fortunately I have not bought this apartment yet!) but I KNOW he will "kick and scream" about that, and will not want to spend additional money to add anything like canvas shades (which are allowed).

Well, I had planned to "downsize" the collection, and had even already started the process... but I didn't want to do it this way, on this schedule! Boo-hoo! This will force me to make some rather ruthless and unwelcome choices. I had toyed (mentally) for a long time with the idea of selling off almost everything, and pooling the money into one "super" system... now it looks like almost everything will be going in any case, but I won't be getting the $$ for that "super" system. Actually, I've got much of such a system already, and will end up with one as it is, regardless, so that isn't bad... but I do wish this hadn't been "foisted" upon me in such a rush. I had figured it would take at least a year for them to get to me --it will take a few years for them to cover all the old buildings-- that that would have been enough time for me to do it "right".

How do I choose between my favorite speakers? How do you decide which to keep from DQs, DCMs, ESS, ARs, etc... When you can only keep at most three pair? If I have to haul back in the RS IIs into the living room even when I'm not listening to them, my wife may scream bloody murder, commit bloody murder (on me), or move out and divorce me. Even if she accepts that and puts up with them, what about the others? I can move the NS-1000Ms into my office room (not where I want them, but it will do), and I don't mind giving up the ARs, KLH, and some others, but I really hate to think of the Dahlquists going, and there is no way to leave them sitting outside for extended periods, without condemning them to slow (or rapid, as soon as it rains) deaths.

I'll also face tough decisions on paring down smaller "collections". I'm definitely keeping my newest SX-1980 and the SX-1250, for example, but the other Pioneers must all go. I'll similarly have to pick about two Marantz receivers, but the rest will all go. I will also keep the H/K Citation The Receiver, as it is beautiful and very rare, but that will be my entire receiver collection: I can fit only one stack of receivers in my home-office, and five pieces is just about the limit.

Similarly, I'll have to select only a very few turntables to keep. That will be tough, too! And amps... even nice ones like the BA/CA-2000 pair will have to go. Probably my excess 3650+300dc sets will all go. I like these, and they are getting hard to find, and they've been going up in value overseas (while dropping in value locally). I'm going to ask some friends if they can provide storage (I'll let them use them, of course!) for some things, just to give me time to sell them properly online, but that will only work for a few pieces. Most of these will be "dumped", in relative terms. UGH!

Life is about change. I'll get through this, somehow, and will probably put in nice stained-glass doors from the living room leading out to a nice new balcony garden (maybe we'll grow some herbs or veggies for the kitchen?), maybe with a fountain and goldfish pond or something nice like that. I'll still have my main system in the living room and a few nice pieces in my office-room, and my LPs and CDs to listen to on those. Life won't completely suck. My wife will be happier and I'll live with it... but my days of collecting, of swapping gear around to hear how it sounds, etc... are officially over, and in the meantime, THIS SUCKS!

Rant over. If you own your own place in a less draconian environment, and know that your gear is truly safe, take a moment to give thanks for that. You could be in the situation I'm in. As I say, I'll deal with it and live with it... life turns a page. But I'll miss some of that gear, and some of the funds I could have raised from selling it properly instead of "fire sale", and what I would have bought with that money...

Okay, now rant is really over. I'll need about another half hour to switch my thinking and get myself "excited" about the sense of "freedom" the decluttering may bring, and about the new garden design...

But the loss of my audio space, and all that gear that I hunted out and brought home, one piece at a time, and all the pleasure I get from sometimes pulling pieces out to play "audio mix-n-match", etc... sucks!

Okay, now rant is really, really over. (Do you detect a pattern? I think I should "work on this" a bit... But yeah, it's really over, at least for now.)

Sigh... :sigh:


P.S. -- Yes, I did think about listing this stuff out and selling it here on AK. Unfortunately, (1) I won't have time for the individual packing and shipping of many items, as there is too much to clear out that way within the time limits, and (2) the shipping cost would make most of it not worth doing, anyway; a lot of this stuff was either mid-fi stuff that I got earlier on, or else is big, bulky things like speakers that definitely aren't worth shipping. I might be listing a few things in Bartertown in the next couple of weeks, though. Only a few that might "make sense", though.


Just thought I'd share this news. I'm already convincing myself that in the long run, it will be the proverbial "blessing in disguise" that it will give us a nicer lifestyle, free up some of my time for other pursuits, etc... Just the pain of the actual transition isn't entirely fun, to say the least. Sort of like the time when they were working on replacing the sewage pipes and our apartment got partly flooded with sewage water...
 
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not to sound callous, but, if losing some of this "embarrassment of riches", in the form of your audio hoard, is the most severe crisis you face this year, consider yourself fortunate. Profit speculation is a sketchy business at best in such austere times, and you've been caught out. Best of luck, you'll see it through, I'm sure
 
Knee, we aren't talking about profit speculation, we are looking at a man's profoundly happy hobby being decimated by an unreasonable and uncaring beraucracy(sp).

My sympathies, Arkay. I checked, and I can help store the Esotec. :thmbsp:
 
I take it the cost of renting storage space somewhere is prohibitive in your town?

Likewise, is there no politicial solution to this political problem?
 
Perhaps waterproof storage could be devised to allow some items to continue to be stored on the balcony?

Please excuse me if these suggestions are obviously unworkable. I go into brainstorm mode when problems are presented, even if 'solutions' are not solicited.... Around here, a lot of your loss could be avoided by paying storage for a few months, to allow time for more orderly liquidation. Given the short time available and the large amount of work you face, loss-avoidance would justify paying a moving company to do the work of boxing things up and removing them to storage.

I do sympathize with you as you work to cope with this loss of valuable living space imposed by unreasonable regulators.
 
Arkay, you need to make a trip back to Arizona and leave me with some of your stuff.

For safekeeping, of course.
 
Really sorry to hear of your predicament. I sympathize (and empathize) with your plight. Having to decide what stays and what goes from a collection you've spent years assembling and countless hours enjoying can be really tough. Is there any way you can ask for a time extension to give you more time to reduce the collection in a controlled manner? Is there any sort of appeal process that you could get a structural engineer to certify that the structures they want removed are actually okay and within spec?
 
not to sound callous, but, if losing some of this "embarrassment of riches", in the form of your audio hoard, is the most severe crisis you face this year, consider yourself fortunate. Profit speculation is a sketchy business at best in such austere times, and you've been caught out. Best of luck, you'll see it through, I'm sure

The start doesn't look too bad... I took three things to consignment shops so far. Two of them, based on the shop owners' recommendations, are priced at about twice what I paid, and the third one at about four times what I paid for it. Even allowing for discounting, I'll easily get my money back on those. I know there are other items like that in the pile, too, where I won't lose. I'll break even on some, and I'll probably lose on some, but the ones I will lose on will mostly be the cheapest stuff I bought, so the losses won't be huge. If I make a hundred bucks profit or more on the three items mentioned above, that will compensate for up to fifteen twenty-dollar items that I "throw away" (although I'll probably get five bucks each for them). I won't be "hurt" by "speculation" on most things, simply because I almost only bought stuff that was well below market value. I've never felt like paying full market value for gear, and now that is coming back to me, in the form of not really losing, even if I don't profit as much as I'd hoped to.


Knee, we aren't talking about profit speculation, we are looking at a man's profoundly happy hobby being decimated by an unreasonable and uncaring beraucracy(sp).

My sympathies, Arkay. I checked, and I can help store the Esotec. :thmbsp:

Thank you. That "decimation" of my hobby IS actually what bothers me most, because I know I won't do too badly financially. Even if I come out behind, it will have been worth it for the fun that I've had, and what I've learned. It's been quite a "ride", in many ways, but that aspect is coming to an end. I can't be much of a "collector" of audio gear, without room for a collection, although I had already re-defined what "collector" means to me a while back, and never intended to keep most of this (truly excess) gear, anyway.

I'll still be able to enjoy listening to music on a great system (or three). I'll still have a SMALL collection of favorite pieces, too, which is what I've wanted as the end result all along. The only difference is that the "small" collection will probably have to be even smaller than I had expected/planned/hoped, by perhaps 2-3 stacks of gear (maybe 20 units).

I take it the cost of renting storage space somewhere is prohibitive in your town?

Likewise, is there no politicial solution to this political problem?

No political solution, for sure. I do have a bit of negotiation ahead with the landlord; since the usable area I'm paying for has decreased, I should be entitled to some kind of rent reduction, or else he should pay for some offsetting improvements, etc... but whether he will or not, is another question. That's why I say "negotiation". It's a little more complicated than it sounds, though... time will tell.

Perhaps waterproof storage could be devised to allow some items to continue to be stored on the balcony?

Please excuse me if these suggestions are obviously unworkable. I go into brainstorm mode when problems are presented, even if 'solutions' are not solicited.... Around here, a lot of your loss could be avoided by paying storage for a few months, to allow time for more orderly liquidation. Given the short time available and the large amount of work you face, loss-avoidance would justify paying a moving company to do the work of boxing things up and removing them to storage.

I do sympathize with you as you work to cope with this loss of valuable living space imposed by unreasonable regulators.

Thank you. Actually, I've thought through all the things you said, already. I'm not totally unprepared for this, nor without resources. I've already had a friend who is knowledgeable about boomboxes volunteer to help me sell off whatever is appropriate from the boombox pile. He said he'll list them and handle the work for me for nothing more than the increased positive feedback he'll get from selling them under HIS eBay account. Under the circumstances, I think that is more than generous, and I'm wondering what I can do to compensate him. [I DO trust him to do what he says; he definitely won't (probably can't) "scam" me.] I think I'll let him sell the more valuable ones, and then kick him back part of the proceeds, anyway, or perhaps give him a nice turntable or something else in return. Anyway, it will save me time and get rid of some of the stuff, so I'm very grateful for the help. I also have a few shops that have agreed to let me put stuff in them on a (very reasonable) commission basis, so I can move some of the stuff out that way first, and then let it sell slowly. I've already bagged up a couple large bags to donate to charity.

In a way, this is nice. I was already clearing things out, on the basis of "at least one thing must go out every day...even if it is only one thing", which has been working well enough so far. I had figured that over a year, I'd get rid of 365 things, which should wipe out any conceivable "clutter" issues. All this did was speed up the timetable, lighting a fire under me, so to speak, to speed up the process. Perhaps not such a bad thing.

Oh, as for the Esotec, I do have one or two (three or four?) Esotec units that I'll probably have to part with. [But I'm keeping the PM4 -- I love the looks of it too much, and like the sound, too!] If/when I run across something appropriate, I'll post it in the appropriate forum and PM you.

Arkay, you need to make a trip back to Arizona and leave me with some of your stuff.

For safekeeping, of course.

I'd LOVE to, and no doubt will do that --well, at least the trip part! :D-- one day.

This will mean a shift in my life, for sure... Even when I took a turntable (Sony PS-X65) to sell today, I couldn't help look around at what else was in the place... then I thought how absurd that was, looking at what I could get and bring back home,when already in this situation. NOPE! :no: But I still looked, out of curiosity and for fun! :D

I'm putting a full moratorium on acquisitions for now, except for four things that I'd already either paid a deposit on, or earmarked for acquisition, and two of the latter I'm reconsidering. I need to clear out the space, let them tear out the roof, and then see what I can do in its place. I might be able to put one of those portable storage sheds there, or something like that, which might allow some gear to be kept... but until I KNOW that, everything possible must go, that isn't a definite permanent "keeper" for the living room or office room. (And maybe one system for the bedroom? Wonder how the wife would react to that? :scratch2: ...)

Speakers are the really tough decision, because they take up the most space. I don't really mind giving up most of the "East Coast" and "bookshelf" speakers, and I can probably even bring myself to part (reluctantly) with the 7 Kappas and a few others like that. But I have to pick between Infinity RS IIs and Sequerra Signatures, instead of having both, because AT MOST I can keep only one pair of "large" speakers... and I love and want BOTH of these. Even keeping ONE pair of such large, visually dominant and low-WAF speakers may be an issue with my wife. That's one reason why I'm thinking about the nice garden idea for the patio; I think she'd like that. Definitely more than a shed full of my tools, spare gear, etc... Might compensate for my keeping a somewhat "dominant" bunch of gear at the end of the living room, surrounding "her" plasma TV? I don't know, but some thought, decision-making and work is in order here, for sure. I do know one thing: I'll be keeping at least one good system for each of the two main rooms I spend time in, and a few other very favorite and rare pieces. Other than that, it's "open season" on the rest of my "collection", and I'm openly "hunting" for anything I can stand to part with. I hope I don't have any "buyer's remorse" later on for decisions made now, but I don't know how much choice I have, anyway.
 
What about renting a climate controlled storage unit? I have done that several times in the past. It is also a great way to help organize inventory. They are usually very secure and you can sell your stuff out of them - that way, no one knows where you live or gets a look at your keepers until you get to know them a little better.

I realize you aren't in the States, so that kind of arrangement may not be available to you.
 
Can you, temporarily, split the gear up among friends for storage?

Not the ideal solution for sure, but it beats you having to hunt around and then spend $$$ for a storage unit?
Of course you might have the risk of cat's claws or small fingers decimating your gear?

But it might be an option??

Good luck!!
Steve :sigh: :scratch2:
 
Really sorry to hear of your predicament. I sympathize (and empathize) with your plight. Having to decide what stays and what goes from a collection you've spent years assembling and countless hours enjoying can be really tough. Is there any way you can ask for a time extension to give you more time to reduce the collection in a controlled manner? Is there any sort of appeal process that you could get a structural engineer to certify that the structures they want removed are actually okay and within spec?


I've talked to a few people about this. It seems there are some bureaucratic procedures involved, and it isn't like they will come over and confiscate stuff and pull stuff down on the 31st day, or anything like that. Sometime shortly after the 30 days are up, if they haven't received word that the work has been done, they will issue a "warning", and you have some extra time within which to comply, etc... so it isn't QUITE as dire as I thought at first, Still, it has to be done, and I'm sure my landlord will want to get on with it in a timely enough manner to avoid any fines, etc... EVENTUALLY, if a landlord doesn't remove the structures, the government could come in and do it, and then bill the owner (my landlord), but that wouldn't happen very quickly. I'm personally targeting trying to get rid of everything within the first 30 days, and then letting the demolition occur during the "warning" period after that... but I may actually have more time than that. Not sure how quickly they'll be able to follow up on all this stuff, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

A lot of this I wanted to get rid of anyway, and I know I'll feel good when THAT stuff is gone, but I'll be very sad to see SOME of it go, especially when the market from which I got most of it has almost entirely dried up and disappeared. It was an extraordinary time in an extraordinary place, and I'm glad to have experienced it, but I wish I could have kept a few more bits to remember it by, since I don't expect to encounter that kind of gear-buying opportunity again within my lifetime. Some of the stuff I'll be getting rid of is rare enough to have zero Google hits, and it's sometimes good stuff, too.

Oh, well... that's life. In a way, maybe it's better this way. I've been planning and working on launching something entirely new next year, which will be a somewhat different thing for me, and perhaps having less audio "distraction" will be a good thing then. I may be able to focus more entirely on that venture, which may increase its chances for success. If it does succeed, I'll be able to buy back almost any gear I want (and I won't want back a lot of what I'm parting with, anyway).
 
My deepest sympathies..I've followed your acquisitions closely and feel like I'm losing gear, too!

That said, when it is all said and done, you might look upon this as a blessing in disguise. We all say we're going to downsize, but few of us do. This will force you to simplify your surroundings into something perhaps more livable, enabling you to enjoy what you keep even more. Maybe the outdoor area will become something you enjoy even more than a space to keep gear that might not be as good as what you are running.

I recently cut my collection in half after moving to a smaller place. Honestly...I don't miss anything that I got rid of. I don't even think about it. I'd trade the other half to live in Asia...

Again, I'm sorry to hear about this mess but the only thing to do is to try and see it as a positive motivation to do things you may or may not have ever gotten around to. Or get a storage unit...
 
Damn.

Whoever suggested outdoor waterproof storage: I seem to remember a post by Arkay a couple years back about a 'black rain' monsoon that dropped 32 inches of rain in 27 minutes or something equally Biblical. Not happening!

I hope this all works out OK for you Arkay. If you were not half a world away we'd all be over for the big sale...
 
'Sorry to hear about your predicament. If it's any consolation, some of your better pieces are going to make others very happy.
 
I take it the cost of renting storage space somewhere is prohibitive in your town?

Likewise, is there no politicial solution to this political problem?

I've been in that boat, and I'd like to say that unless someone is only storing for a very short period of time, the cost of storage can outweigh the value of what is being stored. It is better to sell off excess and stay ahead, than to be stuck paying rent to store it.

That all depends on what is being stored and how often it's used, of course.
 
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