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EPI Tweeter v. Human Tweeter

iramegdal

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I have a pair of EPI 140Cs. I have recapped them, rewired them, and installed new terminals. All was done with parts from Human Speakers. However, I find the tweeters a bit bright and strident on some music.
Huw of Human speakers says that his own tweeters are a little bit better sounding than the EPIs. Has anyone compared them? If so, how are they different? Is it noticeable?
 
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There's a pretty recent thread that has freq measurements for both tweeters.

On 'paper', the Human tweets do look a bit more shrill, but IMO the EPI tweeter was a bit lacking in extreme treble so it might be an improvement.
 
I didn't do a listening comparison, but I did buy a set of the Human replacements for my EPI A240's. I don't find them shrill at all. In fact, I took out the resistors and the toggle switch and let them run full open. They are very smooth, and I am happy with them.
 
There's a pretty recent thread that has freq measurements for both tweeters.

On 'paper', the Human tweets do look a bit more shrill, but IMO the EPI tweeter was a bit lacking in extreme treble so it might be an improvement.
Could anybody point me to that thread?
 
Thank You.

I didn't do a listening comparison, but I did buy a set of the Human replacements for my EPI A240's. I don't find them shrill at all. In fact, I took out the resistors and the toggle switch and let them run full open. They are very smooth, and I am happy with them.

Thank you. What motivated you to replace the EPI tweeters?
 
Thank you. What motivated you to replace the EPI tweeters?
The guy I bought the speakers from said he had been hooking them up to a guitar amp. Even though the originals sounded OK, I decided that since I was completely renovating the speaker ( I re-coned the woofers) that I would change out the tweeters too and have them be completely new speakers (I took off the vinyl and added a cherry veneer).
 
Veneering

The guy I bought the speakers from said he had been hooking them up to a guitar amp. Even though the originals sounded OK, I decided that since I was completely renovating the speaker ( I re-coned the woofers) that I would change out the tweeters too and have them be completely new speakers (I took off the vinyl and added a cherry veneer).

How hard was doing the veneer? Are you handy with woodworking?
 
I recapped 3 pairs of 100's and a pair of 50's about 3 years ago using some nice, 5% poly caps from Dayton Audio. They did start out harsh, but burned in nicely, with a few weeks listening.

Moving from the original 10% electrolytic capacitor to the 5% poly capacitor buys a great deal of high end when recapping. Can't tell you much about Huw Powell's tweeters, but I will tell you that with just minor deviation from flat with my equalizer, his PRO 005 long throw woofers with the fs of 26 hz do a genuinely impressive job of taking up the difference to bring them back to flat. They genuinely do reach deeper in the same cabinet than the original EPI woofer did, by a pretty substantial margin.
 
Buy an L-Pad, set it where you like it, disconnect it, take measurements and create a matching padding network.

That'll tame the beast and give you the spectral balance that makes that snare, piano, and sax sound right.
 
Well, I can't say that I have done a side-by-side test, but I have a system upstairs with a pair of Epicure M50s, with Dayton 1% caps in them, original masonite tweeters, and refoamed mid-woofers. Kenwood KA-3500 amp, Pioneer DV563 for movies and cds.

Downstairs was a Cambridge Audio A500/D500SE/T500/Music Hall mmf-5 into a pair of Human Speakers 61+.

The M50s are like old friends. They have been mine, since new, more than 40 years ago. The sound is comfortable, and, when called upon, for movies, can exhibit a surprising amount of dynamics. They are in my wife's primary system. Other than movies, the most exercise they get is Barry Manilow or Meat Loaf.

Downstairs, the Humans are used primarily for background music, when entertaining, or while shooting pool. I do confess that I have had to stop, mid-shot, to listen to a particular passage, and, occasionally, will just sit and listen.

Neither of those are my primary system, but both are very satisfying. I think the Humans' sound is, for lack of a better term, more 'modern', detailed in upper ranges. I do enjoy listening to jazz records on that system.

I did put Dayton 1% caps in the Humans, also, just because.

I don't think you'll find one weaker than the other, just different. Basically, each is representative of its time. If you like the 'vintage New England' sound, stick with the masonite. If you like a little more 'sparkle', go with the Human aluminum tweeter. both are inverted domes, and more alike than different.

An email conversation I had with Winslow Burhoe contained his assessment of Huy Powell's update of his, Winslow's, tweeter. He said that Huy is building the tweeter that he was working on, as the successor to his original inverted dome. At that point, I had no more reservations about buying a pair of Human speakers.

If you don't like the metal tweeters, you can always sell them, and source a replacement pair of masonite tweeters.
 
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