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Equalizers - I gave them another chance and liked it

sinnerboy

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Growing up with what is considered vintage now, an equalizer was always part of the package. A few months ago, I decided to forego the potential headaches vintage electronics were bringing and replaced my Dynaco amp / preamp with a Peachtree Nova 150, mainly because I needed more power for my Thiel 3.5s. Going from vintage equipment to modern was a bit of an adjustment, but I hung in there. It sounded ok, but not as articulate and clear as I expected. The Nova doesn't mess with signal-path degrading things like tone pots, so the only 'color' added to the signal chain was the Thiel bass equalizer that came with the speakers.
I recently picked up some more equipment as part of an estate sale, and there was a MXR Model 140 equalizer. To test it out as I prepared to sell it, I put it into the signal chain, replacing the Thiel eq. Holy schnikes. It was like a wet blanket was removed from my speakers. THAT is the sound I've been chasing. My 60 year-old ears, room dynamics, whatever this eq is compensating for, it works. The Nova has a 'loop' circuit that, with the push of a button, switches the signal route to run thru the eq vs. straight. The difference is unbelievable. The Nova has to be really cranked (volume-wise) to bring it anywhere close to the articulation that the eq presents.
Now the I have to deal with the first problem I mentioned, aging electronics. After an hour of listening, and possibly increasing the volume a bit, I get popping being introduced into the signal by the eq. I'm assuming it's either aged capacitors that need replacing, or perhaps a cold solder joint somewhere. If I have someone fix it, it would likely cost more than it's worth. I've considered a Shiit Loki eq, but I don't know if it will give an acceptable level of control the MXR does, as I think one of the things the MXR has going for it is that it appears it boost the signal a bit (with corresponding level adjustment), which I don't know if the Loki would (?). I say that because one gripe I've had with the Nova is the 'delicate' volume control, you have to spin that puppy to get any sound and the increments are minuscule. With the MXR in the signal chain, the volume seems 'boosted' to where the volume control appear more effective (if that makes sense). And again, my ears like the result.
So, I tried to be a fledgling audiophile, I really did. But I'm reverting back to using an eq, unapologetically, as it just sounds better in the signal path of the Nova 150. I also like the fact that it is a 'tabletop' unit, sitting flat on top of my stand (studio-like look). There, I said it.
 

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Stopped using EQ's, sound expanders, etc yrs ago. This little test led to the removal of such from all of my systems. Adjust all the controls to flat, then switch the unit into and out if the signal path, there should be no change. Sadly this wasn't the case, in every instance the soundstage suffered to some degree. That said, a great soundstage isn't important to everyone, meticulous equipment and room setup is required to achieve a great one and many aren't to be bothered. For me it was a deal breaker.
 
An eq has too many choices for me. I have one but prefer to use the tone control unit, bass and treble four turnovers freqs each and I'm happy. Preamp has none so it is nice to bump the bottom a bit and not use the sub.

Because I want my system to sound good to me I don't care what the no processor crowd thinks, they have not heard my system and what I hear sounds good. Of course, I'm using a quality tone unit, Luxman 5F70.
 
i use an MXR 10 band EQ in my guitar rig (I have two of them). This looks to be the same EQ, but x2 for left and right stereo. I've had one 10 band EQ go bad like you said. The circuit that indicates input overloading was on all the time, and made a pulsing noise. I took it back after looking online that these EQ's have issues sometimes.

You might be able to get MXR to fix it. Try contacting them.
 
I still have one, but don't use it. Heck, I have my pre-amp set to bypass all the tone controls.

All that matters is that you like it. I don't use the KEF Kube with my KEF 104/2, either. I feel it takes away from the top end and that glorious mid-range.

That issue with the volume control on the Peachtree is an advantage. I have a stepped attenuator in one of my pre-amps and with really efficient speakers sometime "one more step" is too loud, one less just a little too low, so I would like more adjustment range.
 
I now have a second Loki. My Rogue integrateds don't have tape loops, or tone controls. It did not add any noise, that my senior ears noticed.
Bought first Loki for fine tuning a bright room.
Bought second one for second system.
At $165 shipped, I'm happy with them. If you can get by with 4 range adjustment. There are many reviews of them around, for opinions.
I agree with Ross, your amp volume control is better than having too little variation between steps.
 
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It could be something as simple as dirty connections, try putting some Fader Lube in the sliders and running them up and down 50 or so times.
 
Growing up with what is considered vintage now, an equalizer was always part of the package.
Not really, the Japanese would sell anything, so adding more boxes made them more money.

Going from vintage equipment to modern was a bit of an adjustment, but I hung in there. It sounded ok, but not as articulate and clear as I expected.
I think when you mentioned below that it boosted the volume, the higher level sounded clearer to you

To test it out as I prepared to sell it, I put it into the signal chain, replacing the Thiel eq. Holy schnikes. It was like a wet blanket was removed from my speakers. THAT is the sound I've been chasing. My 60 year-old ears, room dynamics, whatever this eq is compensating for, it works.
A blanket was added, but it helped the frequencies your ears where having trouble with, so yes it helps you out.
Now the I have to deal with the first problem I mentioned, aging electronics. After an hour of listening, and possibly increasing the volume a bit, I get popping being introduced into the signal by the eq. I'm assuming it's either aged capacitors that need replacing, or perhaps a cold solder joint somewhere.
You have more than just that popping in the signal path, but that popping is showing you that there is other things in the signal path. This is why a lot of people forgo any tone and EQ controls, the shortest signal path is the best signal.

And again, my ears like the result.
So, I tried to be a fledgling audiophile, I really did. But I'm reverting back to using an eq, unapologetically, as it just sounds better in the signal path of the Nova 150.
However some people need to make adjustments for their system, space and personal hearing.
 
Not really, the Japanese would sell anything, so adding more boxes made them more money.
Reminds me of a Mickey Mantle quote, "If I knew I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself". If I knew my post would be dissected, i would have spent more time on it! What I meant to say was an EQ was always part of MY package:beerchug:

I think when you mentioned below that it boosted the volume, the higher level sounded clearer to you
correct, but listening levels are important, and I rarely have the opportunity to crank it. So I should suffer for the 90% listening time?

A blanket was added, but it helped the frequencies your ears where having trouble with, so yes it helps you out.
I know an eq adds 'color' (however you want to define that) to the signal path. This blanket, I like!

You have more than just that popping in the signal path, but that popping is showing you that there is other things in the signal path. This is why a lot of people forgo any tone and EQ controls, the shortest signal path is the best signal.
Uhm, ok:cool: it just so happens, in my case, the shortest signal path does not meet expectations given my room, ears and listening volume.

However some people need to make adjustments for their system, space and personal hearing.
and some of us are limited to how we can configure our listening spaces.

All your points are good points, but I'm not willing to sacrifice (as I'm sure you would agree) listening pleasure for a pure signal path. :bigok:
 
I now have a second Loki. My Rogue integrateds don't have tape loops, or tone controls. It did not add any noise, that my senior ears noticed.
Bought first Loki for fine tuning a bright room.
Bought second one for second system.
At $165 shipped, I'm happy with them. If you can get by with 4 range adjustment. There are many reviews of them around, for opinions.
I agree with Ross, your amp volume control is better than having too little variation between steps.
i think the Loki is a real (modern) solution for me
 
Stopped using EQ's, sound expanders, etc yrs ago. This little test led to the removal of such from all of my systems. Adjust all the controls to flat, then switch the unit into and out if the signal path, there should be no change. Sadly this wasn't the case, in every instance the soundstage suffered to some degree. That said, a great soundstage isn't important to everyone, meticulous equipment and room setup is required to achieve a great one and many aren't to be bothered. For me it was a deal breaker.

Absolutely the 'test' will surface changes in the soundstage, my point is I need some changes. And short of risking major problems with the Department of War in regards to room configuration, finding Ponce de Leon's fountain of youth, and fitting into my Ted Nugent tshirt, I think I'll depend on electronics to shape the music to my situation. I'm not willing to sacrifice listening enjoyment for the sake of a pure signal.
 
I have a Loki, and it worked for what I needed when I needed it. But, I took it out after upgrading my stereo power amp to monoblocks. It just wasn't really needed anymore. I can go either way with EQ, and have seen systems that couldn't sound good without it, but prefer simple tone controls, or none at all.
 
I rarely use EQ on my main system - exception is for some recordings that are just a little too thin to enjoy. For this I use the EQ in MusicBee. I have been considering a LOKI for use in my headphone setup. @sinnerboy just keep using it like you like to. Enjoy the music!!
 
Reminds me of a Mickey Mantle quote, "If I knew I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself"
I'll have to agree here

If I knew my post would be dissected, i would have spent more time on it! What I meant to say was an EQ was always part of MY package:beerchug:
Yep for you is all good and how it should be
All your points are good points,
Thanks:)
but I'm not willing to sacrifice (as I'm sure you would agree)
Totally
 
I have an eq in my shop system.
I don’t actually use it to equalize things, I just like watching the pretty moving spectrum analyzer display.
I’m not in any way opposed to eq’s- I use them in my car system and my main tv/movie watching system has a dsp in it that is also used.
But with my shop system I’m constantly changing out gear and I don’t have the patience to dial in every newly functional piece- I just want good-to-me sounding music playing while I’m working on something.
Pretty sure you can still be part of the club.
 
I no longer have tone controls in my main rig. I am getting closer to buying a Loki though for those recordings that do need some help though. I have yet to read any negative things about the Loki.
 
When I consider the beautiful Onkyo eq I have that has sat dormant ever since I bought it 3 years ago, it boils down to this =

The noise it, and other eq's introduce into the sound aren't worth the payoff of the boost in frequencies, and unless I had a spectrum analyzer/room analysis, I'd drive myself bonkers tweaking.

However, sounds like you're back in the groove enjoying music.

THIS is what matters, so sir, rock on!!
 
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