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Expanding my system - comments please!

FZfan said:
Operator Error! :banana:

And it's the cushion leaning against the fireplace that has the low WAF not listening at a decent volume; she likes good sounding music (and appreciates the difference) but she's not a big fan of me using the couch cushions as acoustic room treatments...


Try some duct tape :smoke:
 
There are many ways to go of course. The VP1000 is the mate to the AP1000 or any two displays that need down or upconverting in two zones. The VP1000 will work with any McIntosh processor back to the MX132.
The XCS350 is a very strong speaker and will work well as rears for the XRT28s. The main advantage of the XRT27 is power handling-1200 watts vs the 400 for the XCS350. The 350s are a great match with a 402 though.
Depends on your goals but if picture quality is an issue you can use the MDLP1 straight up and feed it component from the 119 and two HDMI inputs are available for your HD sources. All data rates are scaled to 1080P in the MDLP1.
The lens in the MDLP cost more than some of the other projectors mentioned. Having 1080P native rate is good but the display must be fast and the optics top notch to achieve true film screening performance.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
cornfeded said:
Victor, I had not heard about the AP1000 untill you mentioned it. I did some research and it sounds like it would indeed be worth waiting for. It is hard to find any info on it though. . .

The VP1000 and the AP1000 seem to be a bit more complicated products than usual for McIntosh. What do you think of buying them in the first model year?

BTW, Did McIntosh officially announce these products at CEDIA? If so, they need a new public relations person, and also a new web site strategy.

Thanks,

Ed
Ed
At CEDIA McIntosh showed prototypes of the VP1000 and the AP1000, neither are ready for production. I think Mcintosh is trying to get these products finilized for announcement at CES 2007 then the best case would be they could start shipping the VP1000 and AP1000 in Feburary 2007.

There is also a McIntosh projector which was at CEDIA the MDLP1, I think the projector is ready for production and may start shipping befor the end of the year.

They did a demo of the MDLP1 projector and the VP1000 on a Stewart screen and they were great. There was no break up on motion at all, the picture was impressive. The AP1000 was not playing but they had one on a stand for a static display.

The VP1000 is the video part of a HT preamp processor. The prototype VP1000 was shown as a 2 zone video switcher/scaler which will upscale all sources up to 1080P and it will also downscale. The VP1000 will also do the video adjustments you would expect color,sharpness,contrast...

The MDLP1 projector is a single chip DLP 1080P using the latest Texas Instruments single DLP chip.

The AP1000 is the audio part of a HT preamp processor. The prototype AP1000 is rumored to have one of the worlds most advanced audio room correction systems that even has the ability to move where sound from your speakers seems to come from, for example you could make the sound from your center speaker seem to come from the center of your veiwing screen.

These 3 products are designed to work together for the start of an increadible HT system, very exciting stuff. Keep in mind as far as I know the projector is the only one of these 3 products which is ready for production so the info I have on the VP1000 and AP1000 could change or be incorrect.

Victor
 
Correct again Victor. The MDLP1 projector ships in December and the other models look to be in February at this time. As we get closer to a ship date more information will be out in detail. For the custom guys at the CEDIA show they will bid these into jobs for next year, which is why we showed the prototype units.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
cornfeded said:
Kevin M, Excellent suggestion regarding the Sony 1080p projector. I will see if I can make that work. Sounds like a great product, and paired with the VP1000, it should look incredible. I am just framing the theater space, so these suggestions come at the perfect time.

I don't know anyting about projectors. Could it be mounted on a 13 foot high ceiling?

Thanks,

Ed
The projector has a vertical lens shift but with such a high ceiling you would still have to use a pole to extend the projector down some from the ceiling. Let's say you wanted a 106 inch diagonal 16:9 screen. That screen would be about 52 inch tall. You would want to mount it about 32 inches off the floor, then you could use the lens shift to come down another roughly 33 inches. That puts you at about 9.75 feet from the ceiling. So the pole would need to be about 2 feet 3 inches long to work in your room . Another option is to mount it on a table on the floor. You would need to run at least one HDMI cable under the carpet to where the table would be for a clean installation. If your walls are still open. I would suggest running a PVC pipe in the ceiling to where your projector would be, in this case about 15 feet from the back wall and come out where you plan to have your equipment. The screen would be mounted to come down about 3 feet in front of your back wall. This give you about 3 feet from the wall to move your speakers out. Of course you can mount at any distance you like to allow as much space to move your speakers out as you like. PVC pipe is cheap. I ran a 2 inch diameter pipe about 15 feet from my front wall that exits the wall on the side. This may sound complicated but is it not. PVC pipe is cheap and the exit hole on the ceiling can be plugged easily if you decided not to use it. I do not remember how much I paid for my pipe but I am sure it was less than 50.00. A few clamps and some pipes and you can easily do this. This is a cake walk for any electrician as well.Very little skill needed to do this. If you decide to go this route, I can help. Let me know and I'll send you my phone number and walk you through everything. It's not as hard as it sounds especially with a projector that allows you to move the lens and aim at the screen.
 
Kevin M. said:
If your walls are still open. I would suggest running a PVC pipe in the ceiling to where your projector would be, in this case about 15 feet from the back wall and come out where you plan to have your equipment.
Kevin, This is an invaluable recommendation at this time. I will run a conduit to BOTH the floor and the ceiling at this time. That way I can choose which way to go without tearing into sheet rock.

Just to be clear, the projector should be about 12 feet from the screen, which should be about 3 feet or so into the room to allow the speakers to be off the wall. Is that correct?

Thank you!!!!

Ed
 
FZfan said:
Operator Error! :banana:

And it's the cushion leaning against the fireplace that has the low WAF not listening at a decent volume; she likes good sounding music (and appreciates the difference) but she's not a big fan of me using the couch cushions as acoustic room treatments...
How about some hight temperature silicone seal or some stove gasket cement to keep the glass from ratling?
 
It doesn't really rattle so much as "wave" in the same way an electrostatic speaker would work (only it is a very, very bad 'stat'). The glass flexes - you can feel it moving - it doesn't create a higher frequency buzz where it sits in the metal frame (I fixed that with some tuning dots), it just muddies up the mid bass and lower mid range. I may try a wife approved quilt hanging from a wooden quilt display rack that can be placed in front of the glass in lieu of the highly effective (and reasonably priced) couch cushion...

Actually Ivan's duct tape suggestion would be quite effective and the price is certainly right.. Imagine a large grey "X" of tape on the fireplace glass. :scratch2:
 
cornfeded said:
Kevin, This is an invaluable recommendation at this time. I will run a conduit to BOTH the floor and the ceiling at this time. That way I can choose which way to go without tearing into sheet rock.

Just to be clear, the projector should be about 12 feet from the screen, which should be about 3 feet or so into the room to allow the speakers to be off the wall. Is that correct?

Thank you!!!!

Ed
That would be correct for the Sony projector. Different projectors have different, "throw ratios", how close they have to be to the screen to zoom out and fill the screen. The Sony has a short throw of about 1.4 to 1.8 times how wide the screen is. In the case of a 106 diagonal screen, the screen is about 92 inches wide so the projector could be between about 11 feet and nearly 13 feet back which is 1.4 X 92 inches and 1.8 X 92 inches. Bigger screens require the projector to be back further to zoom out to fill the screen. If you are not certain which projector you might purchase at this point, you can just run the pipe at a likely distance that would cover most projectors. I would say about 13 to 14 feet from the screen or about 17 feet from the back wall allowing you 3 feet to mount the screen in front of the wall and place your speakers behind the screen. You would need to determine how big of a screen you might consider. This is a personal preference. Smaller screens give a better picture and do not require as bright of a projector as larger screen. Brighter projectors can sometimes cost more. Larger screens can fill your entire field of vision for a truly emersive experience just like at your local cinema. It is a perfect time to buy a projector. In fact, with all of the new 1080P models coming out, I think it is the best I have ever seen. I have waited for several years to be able to buy the quality of the current projectors at reasonable prices. Just a few years ago, the Sony Qualia was 30K. Now for 5k you can get a projector with 90% of the performance. I am buying a new projector in Feb. JVC is releasing a new Hi-Def projector with wide range of throw. In the scenario I discribed with a 92 inch by 52 inch screen it could be anywhere from 12 feet to 16.8 feet back from the screen. This projector should sell for about 7k. There are quite a few options from 4k to 7K and you should not have much trouble deciding on one if you decide to go that route. I think you could pick up a 1080P LCD projector for less than 4k. How big is the room going to be and about how far do you plan to sit from the screen? This can help lock in what size screen you would need. LIke I said, I got you covered on this projector thing if you decide to pursue it :thmbsp: .
 
Kevin M. said:
That would be correct for the Sony projector. Different projectors have different, "throw ratios", how close they have to be to the screen to zoom out and fill the screen. The Sony has a short throw of about 1.4 to 1.8 times how wide the screen is. In the case of a 106 diagonal screen, the screen is about 92 inches wide so the projector could be between about 11 feet and nearly 13 feet back which is 1.4 X 92 inches and 1.8 X 92 inches. Bigger screens require the projector to be back further to zoom out to fill the screen. If you are not certain which projector you might purchase at this point, you can just run the pipe at a likely distance that would cover most projectors. I would say about 13 to 14 feet from the screen or about 17 feet from the back wall allowing you 3 feet to mount the screen in front of the wall and place your speakers behind the screen. You would need to determine how big of a screen you might consider. This is a personal preference. Smaller screens give a better picture and do not require as bright of a projector as larger screen. Brighter projectors can sometimes cost more. Larger screens can fill your entire field of vision for a truly emersive experience just like at your local cinema. It is a perfect time to buy a projector. In fact, with all of the new 1080P models coming out, I think it is the best I have ever seen. I have waited for several years to be able to buy the quality of the current projectors at reasonable prices. Just a few years ago, the Sony Qualia was 30K. Now for 5k you can get a projector with 90% of the performance. I am buying a new projector in Feb. JVC is releasing a new Hi-Def projector with wide range of throw. In the scenario I discribed with a 92 inch by 52 inch screen it could be anywhere from 12 feet to 16.8 feet back from the screen. This projector should sell for about 7k. There are quite a few options from 4k to 7K and you should not have much trouble deciding on one if you decide to go that route. I think you could pick up a 1080P LCD projector for less than 4k. How big is the room going to be and about how far do you plan to sit from the screen? This can help lock in what size screen you would need. LIke I said, I got you covered on this projector thing if you decide to pursue it :thmbsp: .
Kevin, That is great info. I am a total newbie to home theater, but have been trying to read up on it. Since my room will probably not be finished for another 4 months, I can take my time.

I am starting to think the Sharp 65" lcd is a dumb idea. I read a review that said it is not truly 1080p compliant (can't take 1080p over HDMI). It seems like a waste to use 1080p on a screen any smaller, because the detail will just be lost, so that leaves projectors. For less than the cost of the Sharp, I could get one hell of a projector and a high quality 60" to 65" HD plasma.

The way my room is set up, I think that I need to have a screen right against the wall (not acoustically transparent). The ceiling is vaulted to 13.5 feet in the middle and 8.5 on the sides, so I can't hang anything 3 feet from the wall. The wall with the screen is 25' wide and the room is 29' long. I will use the non-screen end for my desk, so the seating area can be anywhere from 10' to 17' from the wall.

It also seems like some of the 1080p projectors have scalers built in, which would mean that I could wait on the McIntosh VP1000, just to make sure they know what they are doing in video processing.

Seems like the next six months are going to be very exciting for home theater electronics - BluRay/HD Dvd, 1080p TVs, 1080p projectors . . . . .

Thanks for helping me think this through.

Ed
 
Cornfeded, I am glad that you reached this conclusion. I did not want to be too forceful. But with the equipment that you are buying, a front projector would really be the best way to go. Sorry I did not get back sooner about you not needed an acoustically transparent screen. When I thouht about the center that you were using, you can just place it below the screen. Let me know if I can help. This is the perfect time to buy a front projector. I have been waiting for 5 years for them to reach this price point and performance.
 
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