Extinction of larger woofer speakers ?

[rode2rouen]

10 or 12" woofers........decisions, decisions!
Nothing exceeds like excess!


Rex

 

[Audiofreak71]

Here’s newer speakers with 8’s and 10’s , my Vandersteen 3a Signature’s


Audiofreak71

 

[Romeo Wolf]

There is a member here named Romeo Wolf, I think you would get along great with him.
Are you a furry? Romeo is.

Just to put you (two) on the same page, I used to be a "Furry", though I have since lost interest. So not anymore, but I do appreciate (and obsess with) Wolves & Wolfdogs.
(Including German Shepherds and Siberian Huskies)
Starting to get pretty off-topic here...

Anyway, I don't have a preference for either, though, like, 90% of my speakers are 3"-6-½" bookshelves.

 

[Alobar]

Just to put you (two) on the same page, I used to be a "Furry", though I have since lost interest. So not anymore, but I do appreciate (and obsess with) Wolves & Wolfdogs.
(Including German Shepherds and Siberian Huskies)
Starting to get pretty off-topic here...

Anyway, I don't have a preference for either, though, like, 90% of my speakers are 3"-6-½" bookshelves.

When I lived in Juneau Alaska, there was a lone wolf known by the whole city as Romeo, and he just loved to play with the dogs nearby. One time I had an encounter with Romeo when I was walking our old dog Pepper on a trail. Romeo wanted to play with Pepper but he was so old at the time I was worried the wolf might be too much for him. Anyway that wolf followed us, actually was alongside of us at around 50 feet to our side in the snow, for the better part of a mile, until we got to the car. Poor Pepper was scared out of his wits with that very big "dog" obviously quite interested in us!
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-wolf-dog-animals-wildlife-alaska-ngbooktalk/

 

[Romeo Wolf]

When I lived in Juneau Alaska, there was a lone wolf known by the whole city as Romeo, and he just loved to play with the dogs nearby. One time I had an encounter with Romeo when I was walking our old dog Pepper on a trail. Romeo wanted to play with Pepper but he was so old at the time I was worried the wolf might be too much for him. Anyway that wolf followed us, actually was alongside of us at around 50 feet to our side in the snow, for the better part of a mile, until we got to the car. Poor Pepper was scared out of his wits with that very big "dog" obviously quite interested in us!
View attachment 2108576 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-wolf-dog-animals-wildlife-alaska-ngbooktalk/

Ah, yes! I know that Wolf! Had his face as my Avatar back when I created my AK Account (Now it's Madadh, AKA the Oldest Wolf in the World)

I also have the Nick Jans book, titled "A Wolf Called Romeo", even am in a FB group called "We Love Romeo the Wolf".

Even then, I created a post containing *15 images of Romeo on r/Wolves, and It was pinned to the top of the rabbit hole, which I find interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wolves/com..._the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I think we should move this topic to PM's so we don't get the boot

 

[KingAzazel]

These are a fine example of modern wimpy drivers , I have the rca sub and speakers of this set lol got for $15 , along with junk I sold or kept .
triple 5s and a 6.5 baby subwoofer
I’m sad Andrew Jones pioneer towers are extinct discontinued already ... such value I’ll never find anything close .

Duel 8” woofer are generally the biggest most brands make now , chane arx even smaller.

 

[goodolpg]

That's what the dedicated "home theater room" is for. Watching movies is serious business, whether at home or at a commercial theater. No extraneous noise, lights, phones, or other distractions allowed.

I suspect many here feel the same way about listening to their music, so the same room can do double duty.

The "living room" is for playing board games, chatting with guests, eating pizza, and watching kids run around. Doesn't matter if the background music comes from a Bluetooth speaker or $200,000 reference system with giant woofers, because you'll neither be able to hear or focus on it, and nobody else will care.

I was also taking into consideration I've heard house are smaller now days*, in addition many people are renting.
Sure, us old folks who have the room and the money can have two dedicated rooms, but how many younger people and/or renters (or living with their parents) would actually have two dedicated systems.
Again, many people who don't have even one stereo system are going to have two? Maybe, if the bug bites them hard I guess.
Whenever I read an article in Stereophile or Absolute Sound where they ask company heads or engineers what is the biggest hurdle facing your products many times they say
"We need to attract younger people".
So it's nice to see King Azazel here and asking questions.


* I realize McMansions are being built every day.

 

[Champco]

I’m sure some are still made that cost a fortune, but for the average consumer level speakers they are gone .
many models are 4-6.5 today
did brands like Bose kill them off ? And satellites model brands

I know vintage models were mostly larger sized 8” +
Possibly reasons for smaller Ones ?
Some old large woofers were loud and impressive others of low quality were terrible .
My dads friend had some pro models or something with 15”-18” woofer and 8”-10” mids but they must had gotten ruined rip. Might had been home speakers I don’t know , but they were super loud ..

Today’s models are very impressive!!
Tower speakers look like a extremely tall bookshelf speaker these days .

But few models today are 8” or 10”

just due to being ugly or are they impractical for sound dispersion?
I know for a fact my mom Hates them old big woofers ..
subs are a different story but I don’t see why speaker manufacturers don’t offer large woofers anymore without extreeem prices .

cerwin Vega are big still but sound quality is questionable...

If you are listening to Jeff Beck Group - Rough And Ready for instance. You will appreciate it more with 10" 12" 15" speakers moving the air by 50-100 watts pressed 50%-75% total volume. MORE then you will a 6.5 - 8 inch multi-speaker Tower. IMHO. Please prove me wrong.

 

[Lavane]

If you are listening to Jeff Beck Group - Rough And Ready for instance. You will appreciate it more with 10" 12" 15" speakers moving the air by 50-100 watts pressed 50%-75% total volume. MORE then you will a 6.5 - 8 inch multi-speaker Tower. IMHO. Please prove me wrong.

Wired, Blow By Blow and There And Back also. Bigger drivers are a must.
Its even printed on the back of the Wired album. "Must be played at maximum volume".

 

[Champco]

Wired, Blow By Blow and There And Back also. Bigger drivers are a must.
Its even printed on the back of the Wired album. "Must be played at maximum volume".

Weaned Jeff Beck on "Truth". We much anticipated the release of Wired and then Blow By Blow and were not as much impressed. Not familiar with 'There and Back', but can correct that.
Recently acquired Rough & Ready and after hearing it all, I was familiar of course but now, put it all together. This thread intrigues because I am going through the speaker driver, size decision right now. Having a variety I am replacing older drivers in monkey coffins trying to satisfy. Looking to balance sensitivity with Lpads to achieve it all is just plain fun. I sneer at the newer towers. I see lots on the used market not selling for much. But in all honestly I am looking to MATCH the sound from a pair of Boston book shelves, with the coffins. Simply said the four speakers run off of separate amps with same pre amp, does fill the entire spectrum better then each pair on it's own.

 

[OMGCat!]

These are a fine example of modern wimpy drivers , I have the rca sub and speakers of this set lol got for $15 , along with junk I sold or kept .
triple 5s and a 6.5 baby subwoofer
I’m sad Andrew Jones pioneer towers are extinct discontinued already ... such value I’ll never find anything close .
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Duel 8” woofer are generally the biggest most brands make now , chane arx even smaller.

Keep an eye out for Boston Acoustics speakers. They usually go for little money due to almost all of them needing a refoam but are great speakers once you get that out of the way. They had a range from pretty darn big floorstanders to small bookshelves.

 

[Tom Brennan]

If you are listening to Jeff Beck Group - Rough And Ready for instance. You will appreciate it more with 10" 12" 15" speakers moving the air by 50-100 watts pressed 50%-75% total volume. MORE then you will a 6.5 - 8 inch multi-speaker Tower. IMHO. Please prove me wrong.

Since it's your opinion and subjective no one can prove you wrong. By the same token you can't prove a person who prefers smaller woofers wrong.

 

[Audiofreak71]

If you are listening to Jeff Beck Group - Rough And Ready for instance. You will appreciate it more with 10" 12" 15" speakers moving the air by 50-100 watts pressed 50%-75% total volume. MORE then you will a 6.5 - 8 inch multi-speaker Tower. IMHO. Please prove me wrong.

This is true about smaller drivers not being able to produce the ultra low notes compared to larger drivers . Example I had Paradigm signature S6’s as well as studio 100v3’s awhile back and was confused as to why I just wasn’t getting the bass I wanted and ultimately had to add 2 subs to get the low end grunt I wanted.

Fast forward to me owning Vandersteen’s in which now I own the 3a Signature’s and I don’t really need a subwoofer they dig plenty low for me at least much more low than the Paradigms I owned . Now to get visceral bass yet controlled I added an 18in sub and all is right with the world

Audiofreak71

 

[bluesky]

Big Box with AlNiCo magnets.

 

[Champco]

Since it's your opinion and subjective no one can prove you wrong. By the same token you can't prove a person who prefers smaller woofers wrong.

Correct.
Fact is the only speakers i hid around the corner from were La Scalia's powered by a big Marantz. They sound better around the corner and my hearing was saved. I just do not see a Tower of 6 - 8' speakers doing that but I am willing to witness it. It takes size to move volumes of air.

 

[Champco]

This is true about smaller drivers not being able to produce the ultra low notes compared to larger drivers . Example I had Paradigm signature S6’s as well as studio 100v3’s awhile back and was confused as to why I just wasn’t getting the bass I wanted and ultimately had to add 2 subs to get the low end grunt I wanted.

Fast forward to me owning Vandersteen’s in which now I own the 3a Signature’s and I don’t really need a subwoofer they dig plenty low for me at least much more low than the Paradigms I owned . Now to get visceral bass yet controlled I added an 18in sub and all is right with the world

Audiofreak71

Good report on the Vandersteens of which I am not familiar but am curious. Over the years I have "felt" 15"-18" speakers can get sloppy but that again can be build quality. Point is size is not everything.

 

[Audiofreak71]

Good report on the Vandersteens of which I am not familiar but am curious. Over the years I have "felt" 15"-18" speakers can get sloppy but that again can be build quality. Point is size is not everything.

Well I have a JTR Captivator RS1 dialed in with REW , it’s the quickest and deepest sub with the highest output I have owned and sounds perfect dialed in with the vandys, I agree that build quality can be part of it , also the implementation of the sub is part of it , to high crossover to high volume positioning in the room etc.

Audiofreak71

 

[Champco]

Well I have a JTR Captivator RS1 dialed in with REW , it’s the quickest and deepest sub with the highest output I have owned and sounds perfect dialed in with the vandys, I agree that build quality can be part of it , also the implementation of the sub is part of it , to high crossover to high volume positioning in the room etc.

Audiofreak71

Sounds like something i would like to hear Fillmore East's "Whipping Post", on. I get lost on digital V.s. analog reproduction. Another subject.

 

[Audiofreak71]

Sounds like something i would like to hear Fillmore East's "Whipping Post", on. I get lost on digital V.s. analog reproduction. Another subject.

I have useful extension in my room to 10hz and the pressure hurts at that point hurts so I’m glad I only experienced it during a sweep while dialing my sub in lol. But I can play just about anything and it’s nice tight and visceral without overpowering the room.

Audiofreak71

 

[Champco]

I have useful extension in my room to 10hz and the pressure hurts at that point hurts so I’m glad I only experienced it during a sweep while dialing my sub in lol. But I can play just about anything and it’s nice tight and visceral without overpowering the room.

Audiofreak71

Loves me some Ron Carter or Howard Johnson on occasion. Will not hut your ears at all..... promise