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Facebook needs a netflix moment....I'm through.

Hate to tell you this, but Facebook has and will continue to be a place for anyone that wants to dig too deep into your personal life by anyone. Same with any of those other sites to.. Google+, LinkedIn, Myspace... None of them are good, and can be used against you. Any person looking for your on line presence by name will find you, and can easily gain a lot of knowledge about you, even if you keep a lot of the information private. They can still get a good idea about you.

Now using places like this forum, using a nickname, and not your real name makes it harder for people to find out much about you, unless they can find a way to link your real name to your nickname.. .

I have never done anything other than forums that do not use your real name. I will never do Facebook, Myspace, Google+ or any other site that links you to your real name, OR, even if they will let you use a nickname, I don't like them, because they can change the rules any time they like and provide more information to the world you never want to be seen..

Best way to avoid being spied on is JUST DON"T USE THOSE SITES... Why must you? I saw a poll the other day, that 60% of respondents said they don't use social networking sites such as facebook and such... I'd probably guess that's close to the truth..
 
Coupla thoughts...

1. You cannot delete your Facebook account. All you are doing when you "close" it is setting it to inactive. Everything you ever posted is still there.

2. If you don't like the new Timeline feature, and nobody does, btw, then you need to start going back through your old stuff and deleting individual posts/photos, etc.

3. If you're considering switching everything to Google+, it won't help. They just announced a new change to their privacy policies, starting March 1st. Two key points...their new privacy policy is "You don't have any", and you CANNOT opt out. If you use anything Google, Gmail, etc., you are being tracked, traced, collated, and your data is being sold to companies that are going to use it to make money. The above quote from MattewT is dead on..."you're the product" that's being sold. Except, of course, you're not getting a cut of the profit.

4. Just to make you feel a bit more comfortable, you can't get away from this if you're a regular user of the internet, unless you make a concerted effort. And, I'm not sure it will really accomplish much, so I don't lose any sleep over it. I am probably going to unfriend the fb folks that I never really contact with, and just leave the core group of AKers, family, and the friends I actually talk to on a regular basis.
 
Fisherdude said:
Coupla thoughts...

1. You cannot delete your Facebook account. All you are doing when you "close" it is setting it to inactive. Everything you ever posted is still there.

2. If you don't like the new Timeline feature, and nobody does, btw, then you need to start going back through your old stuff and deleting individual posts/photos, etc.

3. If you're considering switching everything to Google+, it won't help. They just announced a new change to their privacy policies, starting March 1st. Two key points...their new privacy policy is "You don't have any", and you CANNOT opt out. If you use anything Google, Gmail, etc., you are being tracked, traced, collated, and your data is being sold to companies that are going to use it to make money. The above quote from MattewT is dead on..."you're the product" that's being sold. Except, of course, you're not getting a cut of the profit.

4. Just to make you feel a bit more comfortable, you can't get away from this if you're a regular user of the internet, unless you make a concerted effort. And, I'm not sure it will really accomplish much, so I don't lose any sleep over it. I am probably going to unfriend the fb folks that I never really contact with, and just leave the core group of AKers, family, and the friends I actually talk to on a regular basis.
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Fisherdude, you are right on.
 
Fisherdude said:
3. If you're considering switching everything to Google+, it won't help. They just announced a new change to their privacy policies, starting March 1st. Two key points...their new privacy policy is "You don't have any", and you CANNOT opt out. If you use anything Google, Gmail, etc., you are being tracked, traced, collated, and your data is being sold to companies that are going to use it to make money.
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Not that I'm advocating Google+ to anyone, but where are you getting "you don't have any"? The new policy is pretty much the same as the most strict policies their handful of companies used before. The main feature is that they are trying to put all their data (google, gmail, google+, youtube, calendar, etc.) directly together, which will enhance their monopoly-like status but shouldn't surprise anyone. Also, unless I'm terribly misinformed, Google isn't selling your info to anyone. It does not appear to be permitted by their policy, and they don't want anyone else to have it anyway.
 
Yeah I really hope that link to a YouTube video of The Bee Gees doesn't come back to haunt me.

If somebody knows my full name they can find out much more about me on the internet than what they'll find on FB. As far as posting to forums under an assumed name- I think we should all do everything under our real names- I think the online world would be a lot more civil. One of the quickest ways to lose all hope for humanity is to read the comments section of any online news story. Take away accountability, give a person anonymity, and suddenly they're revealed for the true asshole that they are. What I LIKE about facebook is that lack of anonymity. If you have something to say, say it like it will be remembered forever- and discourse will be much more mannered.

If you can't manage to not say things that will come back to huant you, by all means, stay away from FB.
 
I did Facebook long enough to really reconnect with lots of people in the music industry thst I've known and worked with as long as 35 years ago, so from that standpoint it was great. I even did a long distance relationship that opened my eyes to the stupidity of that kind of exercise. The first part I mention was great, the second, no love connection as Chuck Woolery used to say. I bugged out when my ex started to monitor my online activity on Facebook with jealousy and rules about who I could talk to and how. I decided that I''d have nopne of that. As it changed, with more Orwellian practices and seemingly weekly changes, I jumped out, probably 6 months ago. I have many muscal friends all over the world, and I always enjoyed seeing their YouTube posts and their musical preferences. I even spent quite a bit of time talking to AK'ers there. I would like to try Google + but Google is scaring me with the impending March 1 changes. I feel at least for awhile, other than audio sites, my social neworking days on FB and the like are temporarily on hiatus.
 
dumptruck said:
Not that I'm advocating Google+ to anyone, but where are you getting "you don't have any"? The new policy is pretty much the same as the most strict policies their handful of companies used before. The main feature is that they are trying to put all their data (google, gmail, google+, youtube, calendar, etc.) directly together, which will enhance their monopoly-like status but shouldn't surprise anyone. Also, unless I'm terribly misinformed, Google isn't selling your info to anyone. It does not appear to be permitted by their policy, and they don't want anyone else to have it anyway.
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Oh, I'm just assuming that their fine print is written to protect them, not me.
 
I've heard that you can learn alot of secrets about someone by going thru their trash and I believe it.
Does anyone see a connection between FB, Google, etc. and TRASH? Or is it just me?
 
Fisherdude said:
Oh, I'm just assuming that their fine print is written to protect them, not me.
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There's no change to third-party policies, and the print is not very fine compared with what you see on a lot of sites. Really, the whole thing is just Google saying "we would like to stop pretending that we don't know the connection between user accounts on our different services". It's like if you were a store with a spreadsheet of customer names and phone numbers, and a spreadsheet of phone numbers and purchases, but you were not allowed to put them together, even though you obviously could in a couple of minutes and nobody would ever know. If I sound overly sympathetic, it's only the rationality of what they want to do that I'm sympathetic with :).

With a lot of sites, the primary concern is that your personal information will just end up out in the wild to be bought and sold indefinitely. With Google, they want all your information locked up tight so they can make money off what they know without actually showing anyone what they know. It's more a question of how much you want one company to know about you, in principle. To someone with more classic privacy concerns than just being annoyed at being used for profit, that is still a big deal. Such a person should have already been careful enough to be unaffected by this particular policy change, though.

Apparently some people think the FTC will say the new policy violates their previous consent order (from the google+ launch fiasco) before it becomes active, anyway: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...oogles-new-privacy-policy-could-anger-ftc.ars.
 
Jack Lord said:
I don't do Facebook. Some friends and family do. Their experiences all mirror one another.

It begins with a euphoria as people they have not seen since Kindergarten get in touch to friend them. Makes you wonder why you have been out of touch for so long, but whatever.

This eventually gives way to panic as the wackos and people they never want to see start petitioning to be friended.

Finally, they begin to consider ceasing any more time on Facebook.

So it goes.
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What I've experienced family and friends saying about it too.
 
Facebook has seemingly become the new untouchable "king" of the internet for the time being. But historically there is always something new and more exciting that comes along and takes the throne. Netscape held that spot many moons ago and seemed untouchable, and then along came Yahoo. I thought, WOW Yahoo is a monster that can never be topped....then along came Google.
On a parallel sorta path, it was Friendster, then MySpace, ...... Facebook will be hard to top. It's mind boggling how many people are sucked into it's path....but something will come along and trump it.
 
I heard there is actually a book published that has the phone numbers and ADDRESSES of everyone in town! So if they know your name they can get your address and phone number. :para: They print this and give it to everyone - for free!

As if that were not enough, there's another book you can get down at the library that lets you look up an address and find a person's name!

These two books together could mean the end of privacy as we know it. :smoke:


Seriously, between Going Offline and I Don't Care, I'm somewhere in the middle. Just wondering what it must have been like decades ago when The Phone Book was invented, and whether this is a similar thing.
 
frankxbe said:
Facebook ,Google,Homeland Security , GPS cell trackers, surveillance cameras etc ... all a bit Orwellian isn't it?
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Yep. Google is getting just as bad or worse. At least FB puts it in the open, we know timeline is a huge stack of privacy BS. Google is making changes that could cause some serious issues for many and they are trying to sell it as "Simpler. one policy change" across all their sites. It's killing me because I've been a Gmail user for 10 or more years. I was in back when you needed an invite. I love the social connection FB gives me but I am very leery of what they are doing. I've been pretty good at not putting 'bad' stuff up so I'm not really worried about exposure but I am deeply concerned at how much privacy they seem to put no value on at all.

I'm about ready to delete both accounts, gmail (youtube included) and Facebook.
 
toxcrusadr said:
I heard there is actually a book published that has the phone numbers and ADDRESSES of everyone in town! So if they know your name they can get your address and phone number. :para: They print this and give it to everyone - for free!...
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OMFG!!! :yikes:

You know what's even worse?!? For decades trusting people have been handing their credit cards to minimum wage waitresses who desperately need money, and these waitresses have been taking your card into the back room, where there are pens and paper to copy down your credit card number! It's unbelievable!

Thank heavens we now have secure online transactions!! :D
 
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NFW! Next time I go to a restaurant I'm going to thoroughly read the Terms of Service and see if that's mentioned. I can't believe they allow that.
 
toxcrusadr said:
I heard there is actually a book published that has the phone numbers and ADDRESSES of everyone in town! So if they know your name they can get your address and phone number. :para: They print this and give it to everyone - for free!
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To be fair, it is opt-in. I have opted-out. :D
 
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