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Fisher 500c Phono Stage Replacement Tubes

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I just picked up my first tube amp, a Fisher 500c. The phono section of the amp has been recapped, but when using it, there is a lot of tube noise, I think a little too much. I do not think those tubes have been replaced, so I'd like to do that. Looks like they are spec'd as 12AX7 tubes, but didn't know if anyone had recommendations for quality tube brands or for where I can buy these tubes. I haven't really started looking, but figured I'd hit up AK first. Thanks.
 
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The Sovtek 12AX7LPS and JJ ECC83S are really good tubes for phono stages. Reliable,with low noise and microphonics,and very reasonably priced.
I won't even get into ''vintage'' or ''NOS'' tubes.Prices are ridiculous and quality can be a real crapshoot.
 
Agree with arts. Get yourself a pair of the Sovtek LPS tubes from a reliable source. They are my go-to tubes for the phono stage at a performance/price point that can't be beat. After that you can hunt down more exotic tubes but will pay the price for them.

You can pick up a matched pair of the Sovteks from Jim McShane. He's a little higher than what you can get at auction BUT he runs them through the grinder BEFORE he lets them go. That way you can be sure they are matched and up to par. Highly recommended.
 
1st off welcome to the mad-house. 2nd off take some pictures of the tubes in question and the rest of the 12ax7's in the unit. Get the manual from www.fisherconsoles.com and mark the tubes according to the tubes sheet. As the Phono section takes a VERY LOW LEVEL signal and boosts it to a level equal to the rest of the signals, these tubeswork very hard. Instead of purchasing new tubes (old or new stock) I would take the 3 pairs and rotate them around 1st. But if you're dead set on NEW STOCK Phono Tubes in a 12ax7, get the 12ax7LPS made by Sovtek. VERY QUIET Tube.

That's my opinion. And around here you got more opinons than corncobs after sunday picnic.
 
My suggestion to the OP, if you are spinning lots of vinyl through a 500C, is to invest well in the phono stage tubes.

For as common a tube as a 12AX7, you will be surprised to find that modestly-priced domestic used/strong stock often substantially outperforms the new production, and is often very quiet even in standard 12AX7 types. They are still so plentiful, I still have no need for new production.

Shoot for organ pulls, which are often low-hours, and are specially tested and graded quieter and tighter matched than normal. People will sell them by the bucket from a retired Lowrey or Hammond when grandma passes. You can stumble on beautiful Raytheon or RCA BPs for peanuts if you are patient.

A pair of late 50's to early 60's US black plates, judiciously placed, can work wonders in that receiver. Nothing new will touch it for timbre and tonal nuance.

Another somewhat rarer tube that does really well in these, and is still relatively inexpensive, is the CBS 7025. The CBS has a unique dot etching, similar to, but not the same as a GE. And it sounds far more alive than your typical GE long grey plate. Older CBS 12AX7s are Hytrons and are also an excellent tube. I'll take the CBS over the later production long grey and 14mm RCAs, all else being equal. But they are rare.

I won't take you further into the world of tube exotica, other than to reiterate that used/strong old US production is still a terrific bargain. Once you start looking at the old Europeans, it gets expensive quickly, and you have to be careful; it is easy to get fleeced.

The C series is a very nice platform for rolling, especially in the tone amp stages.
 
People will sell them by the bucket from a retired Lowrey or Hammond when grandma passes. You can stumble on beautiful Raytheon or RCA BPs for peanuts if you are patient.
Next time these people have 12AX7 bucket for peanuts please PM!
Thank you! ; - )
JJ
 
I ended up with some matched Sovteks. I replaced the V16 and V17 tubes for the phono section, and holy cow, it's a big difference! One of the tubes I pulled was a matsushita and the other I think perhaps original Telefunken. Looked like they had been around for a while. Thanks for the suggestions. Now that I am seeing how much of a difference changing the tubes can make, I am already itching for more.
 
The Sovtek 12AX7LPS and JJ ECC83S are really good tubes for phono stages. Reliable,with low noise and microphonics,and very reasonably priced.
I won't even get into ''vintage'' or ''NOS'' tubes.Prices are ridiculous and quality can be a real crapshoot.
Quality of Russian and jj tube more crap shoot than any USA tube
Tube is tube and tube is just device is either good or bad or worn out
NOS vintage all that just labels and words to sell or jack price
But any USA tube better quality than jj or Russian
Sound or price or what YOU like to use that is whole other story! : - )
JJ
 
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