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Fisher 600 capacitor replacement

powerdoc

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OK, for the 400,500,800 series there are kits for cap replacement. I know the electrolytics, in a piece that's older than my kids who have kids, will need to go, but what others need to go? No selenium rectifiers just tubes. Any resistors which are suspect? Visually, no obv. burned resistors. Help/reference url's appreciated.
 
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OK, for the 400,500,800 series there are kits for cap replacement. I know the electrolytics, in a piece that's older than my kids who have kids, will need to go, but what others need to go? No selenium rectifiers just tubes. Any resistors which are suspect? Visually, no obv. burned resistors. Help/reference url's appreciated.

Start by first purchasing a good legible manual

Then rebuild the power supply and replace the coupling caps and any and ALL miscellaneous electrolytics

Remove, and or replace with X1/Y2, any and all line to ground caps

Clean the unit and give a little shot of DeOxit to all the controls and switches

Check critical high voltage resistors as you do your work; some will require you to "lift a leg" to get an accurate read (out of circuit)

Take your time, plan and be thorough, be safe; there is no "quick fix", especially if you have never done this before

Then you'll have a safe, working baseline from which to proceed

There are others here with far more experience than I to guide you beyond this minimum starting point

Use the parts list provided in the service manual, along with verification of values on your actual unit to assist with ordering parts; I prefer Mouser and A.E.S. (Antique Electronic Supply) The premier seller (and restorer) with gracious technical assistance is Mr. Jim McShane, along with the very kind and knowledgeable forum regulars here

Good luck

Thomas
 
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Good Start Thomas. I will note here that from 58' on FISHER tended to use Foreign (usually German) brand Mylar, and other FILM Caps. Namely ERO-Foils, FRAKO, Ducati, and a couple other brands I can't remember off the top of my head. Each and every one of these should go as they have gone thru molecular changes that allows moisture in that messes with them and causes values to go off, shorts, and or opens.

BROWN epoxy filled caps, are known as Dog Turds. These are garbage and must be replaced for the same reasons.

Getting into kits'. It's supply and demand. The 400's, 500's(B&C), and 800(B&C) are the most prolific and popular models that FISHER Built. They are fairly easy to work on, (compared to some of their contemporaries), and are plentiful in that spare parts from Donors are available from E-prey without too much fuss. As you go back in time, before the pre-B models, actual number of units available drops, information on them becomes scarce, as does spare parts, so the above becomes a factor with regard to re-building kits. The units aren't plentiful, not much call for them, not too many have done rebuilds and documented them with parts lists (which incidentally is how many if not most of the kits came about), and so no one has a kit for most of them. 1/2 the fun of this hobby is figuring out what's inside and then corellating that to modern parts.

Not all 600's are the same. Some will be 99% accurate to the manual. These will be the early units that were made right about the time of the manual. The rest will have some modifications to them that don't get to the manual, either from the manufacturing line, post production update lines, Shop service depts, and finally a 'tech' or owner that did mods and didn't document the mod(s). The best way to rectify this is to get the manual/ and the sams (not always do they match!!!), and compare the manual with the actual unit. Document any discrepancies in favor of the unit itself. NOTE on the front of your copy that the manual reflects SERIAL NUMBER XXXXXXXX at the following date. If/When you sell the unit, the manual goes too.

Once you get everyone on the same sheet of music, then you make your order. Don't limit yourself to one particular brand of cap. Mix them up if/when possible. This prevents a coloring of the sound from a particular brand of cap. But don't go hog wild on Auricaps, Jensens, or any of the "Boutique" caps. Orange Drops, DME's, Mallory, Illinois Caps, Sprague(within reason due to sizes some of these get) are all good proven caps, plentiful supplies, at reasonable prices that have passed the test of time. These will give you a good baseline to work from. Russian PIO's are fairly cheap (compared to Auricaps, Solens) and sound pretty good in coupling cap instances.


This wil give you a working start. The rest is up to you. Ask questions if/when you get stuck. Don't worry about sounding less than intelligent with regards to circuits etc. We've all been there at one time or another, and some of us come back for repeat performances.

Larry
 
I will note here that from 58' on FISHER tended to use Foreign (usually German) brand Mylar, and other FILM Caps. Namely ERO-Foils, FRAKO, Ducati, and a couple other brands I can't remember off the top of my head. Each and every one of these should go as they have gone thru molecular changes that allows moisture in that messes with them and causes values to go off, shorts, and or opens.Larry

How far do you go with the MPX, Larry?

I ordered all the values in 716Ps for mine, but stopped short

At 600V rating, too much shoe horning; I did change out the 3 or 4 .1uFs just outside the MPX, at 3 times the size

The caps that are of the squarish shape, similar to ODs, in the MPX assembly itself

For now, all I have replaced in my MPX is the one electrolytic

What say ye?
 
Good advice in the previous posts.

I restored my TA-600 four years ago using parts from Antique Electronic Supply. They sell the (4) needed multi section electroltic capacitors, no need to have these custom made. I used a mix of yellow mallory and orange drops for coupling capacitors.

I really like my TA-600. To my ears it sounds better, in many ways to my 400 and 500C.

It's tight under the hood. Take your time removing and replacing components, draw diagrams or take photos to help during installation.

I have a complete schematic with alignment instructions that I'll be happy to share. PM me if you want a copy in .pdf format. I'll be out of town until Sunday, can send early next week.
 
Thomas. Don't mess with the MPX except for the one lytic cap listed. The MPX unit's are so finicky that looking at one wrong tends to throw it out. According to Fisherdoc(who in most peoples opinion here is.....well I won't get into a shitting contest here) there are two caps and two resistors to change that tightens up the the 75msec spec on the one signal (I can't remember the name now) but I've found you can't tell one way or the other. Besides they are buried in the one end and you spend more time trying to get these replaced than doing the rest of the rig. The one exception to the BORG Mantra.

My opinion is on MPX units, with the exception ofthe one lytic.....If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.
 
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