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Five Vintage Turntables To Compare

Uncle Choppy

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Greetings, gentlemen. We recently rediscovered a cabinet full of well-preserved classical LPs from the 1960s and 70s. I would like to add a good quality semi-automatic turntable to our moderately priced vintage system (Marantz power/tuner, Denon cassette/CD decks, Klipsch Heresy speakers). We have identified five likely candidates for their specs and aesthetics. Assuming that all tables are in very good condition, does any one of the following really stand out? The list: Pioneer PL-540, Philips GA312, Dual CS-5000, Thorens TD-147 and Denon DP-62L. Best wishes, -Uncle Choppy
 
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Some fun options. You need to consider the cartridges that may or may not be coming with these.

Only one I've had was the 147. I had a Jubilee that I had to sell in a financial emergency. I wish I still had it! Really nice and simple turntable. The auto stop can be finicky though. Honestly, I could live with any of these. But I would try that 147 if it's priced right. Thorens stuff is ever on the rise and you could always sell it for a profit. The 147 has the same modifications as the 160 super I believe.
 
I can only comment on vintage Thorens tables. I have a TD145 MkII from the late 1970's or so. It has never failed me in nearly 40 years other than the auto pick up and shut off which I need to adjust. I've replaced belts over the years as well as cartridges. Reliable as the day is long and sounds great.
 
Opinions of each, roughly in order of least to best:

GA312: Not bad, but has its own idiosyncrasies. Not a bad pick if it's working correctly. And that's a big IF.

DP-62L: Theoretically OK, but the electronics in these scare me.

Dual CS-5000: A great design let down by cheap execution. Lots of folks love these, but I think people pay more than they're worth just because of the looks.

TD-147: Nice turntable, fussy arm. The previous comments on value are spot on.

PL-540: Perhaps not the best in terms of absolute performance, but a good solid dependable performer. That's the one I'd pick. Again, of course, if all is working properly.

I wouldn't worry about whatever cartridge comes with any of them; a decent new one can be had for a reasonable price if necessary.

As always, just my opinion, YMMV.

Happy trails,
Larry B.
 
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Performance-wise, I think the Denon would stomp the rest of them. But the electronics really need some preventative maintenance to keep everything running right.
 
My choice, from best to worst:

Denon: Only if working well. This has the best specifications, the best tonearm which will make any cartridge look good, the longest tonearm (and so least tracking error), a choice of straight or s-shaped tonearm wands, and it’s the heaviest turntable. The electronic tonearm damping means it will match well with any compliance cartridge, as long as it balances the tonearm. Highly recommended, but complex, so if it's not working faultlessly, don't be tempted.

Dual: This does have the advantage that it’s the only 3-speed turntable of the five, as it has 78rpm if needed. It has a tonearm the same length as the Pioneer, but beats it due to its straight, low mass design, which will match well with quality high and medium compliance cartridges. It has the second best specifications of the five, and is a fine design.

Thorens TD-147: This has the excellent Thorens name – they knew how to make good turntables. The tonearm is a good low mass design, the second-longest behind the Denon, with interchangeable tonearm tubes. Thorens wrote some engineering papers explaining the reasons for the tonearm design, and they made good sense. There were also some plug-in combined cartridge/tonearm tubes, both MC (cartridge design by EMT) and MI (Ortofon LM internals), for very low mass and good rigidity, although probably only the Ortofon ones would be a good choice now - they take the LM and OM-series styli. Has the well-proven Thorens sprung chassis design for low acoustic feedback. Slightly lower specifications than the Pioneer, but the lighter and longer tonearm and sprung chassis move it slightly ahead of the Pioneer – it’s also a newer design, and less complex if maintenance is needed. This would be near the top of my list of Thorens turntables to buy

Pioneer: Quite a good design, if rather conservative, by one of the best turntable manufacturers of the 1970’s. However, it’s one of the oldest from this group, and there are well-known annoying problems like the sprung feet, on which the rubber falls apart. I once owned one briefly, that went missing somewhere between Adelaide and Melbourne while being freighted to me, luckily with fully insured freight, so the freight company’s insurance repaid my purchase and freight costs. I suspect someone dishonest may have decided they needed it more than me!:dunno: Still, I only lost a bit of time.

Philips: The worst specifications, and some info (such as tonearm length) just isn’t included in the rather sketchy specifications. This is probably the only one I wouldn’t want to own now – all the others have their own good points, and I’d happily own any of them. It has a rather strange headshell design and cartridge mounting system. I almost bought one of these in my youth, mainly because it was relatively cheap, and a well-known brand, so that certainly attracted me, as a poor schoolboy! Comes home panting a long way behind in the race, so only if it's quite cheap, and still working faultlessly, with no damage.
 
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^ Nailed it. :)

The only thing to add is that, pending condition, any of those could be quite good.
 
I'd vote for a Dual 1219 or 1229 with no stacking spindle. I have owned and still own them. Nice arms and steady speeds. What more do you want?
 
Ooooh, I love these kinds of threads! :D

Thorens, Pioneer, Denon, Philips, Dual. That would be my picking order. There's not a turd on the list, really, but the one thing I've learned on this forum is that if you have the chance to get a Thorens at a good price, do so without hesitation.

I'm a Pioneer girl, so the 540 gets the nod for #2. Quartz Direct Drive, an arm that you can put most anything on and it wouldn't be hard to veneer in wood.

I don't know much about the Denon but they are well thought of.

The Philips....I agree that they are finicky and it may give you problems.

Now that I've looked at the Dual online, I'd make it number 3, then the Denon, then the Philips bringin up the rear. I was confusing it with a different Dual, which came out in the early 80's and wasn't so great.
 
Some fun options. You need to consider the cartridges that may or may not be coming with these.

Only one I've had was the 147. I had a Jubilee that I had to sell in a financial emergency. I wish I still had it! Really nice and simple turntable. The auto stop can be finicky though. Honestly, I could live with any of these. But I would try that 147 if it's priced right. Thorens stuff is ever on the rise and you could always sell it for a profit. The 147 has the same modifications as the 160 super I believe.

The TD-147 is basically a TD-160 Super with a Thorens auto-shutoff arm added. I once used a TD-160 Super for several months when I was in between high end (and expensive) tables back in the day. The TD-160 Super with a good tonearm was scary close in sound quality to the big boys. I guess that's why places like Vinyl Nirvana restore them, add a new tonearm, and they sell for $1,500 or more. I also owned a TD-145 for several years back in the 1970s. It took a table/arm combo that cost 3 times as much to make me part with it. The guy I sold it to is still using it 38 years later. Finally, they are easy to upgrade and find parts for. You could even add something like an SME or Rega arm to the TD-147 and compete with the expensive guys.
 
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