Fleetwood console, model 4087

[moinau]

Hi,
Can somebody tell me more about on this tubes Fleetwood console, model 4087, that I recently bought at a yard sale.
Everything works, the Fleetwood AM/FM Radio and the Dual 1007.

I will in the near future put everything apart, clean it, and inventory all parts, speakers drivers, tubes, and, et cetera.

I know this console was mainly sold in Canada, and was produced in Montréal, Québec.
What else can people tell me about this model...
Thanks

 

[Tom Bavis]

You might check with pacifictv.ca - not much info on Canadian models on this side of the lakes...

 

[electroking]

I may have something back home, let me check that by Wednesday evening or
Thursday morning when I get there. If you could get a shot of the chassis
showing the tube placement, it would be helpful, as my documentation is
by chassis number, which is not the same as model number. There is a related
thread about another Fleetwood console in videokarma, also in NS. Regards.

 

[visman]

It's interesting that the fleetwood insigna is almost identical to Grundig from Germany (except Grundig has a 3 leaf clover and "Grundig" where you have three stars and "Fleetwood").

 

[moinau]

You might check with pacifictv.ca - not much info on Canadian models on this side of the lakes...

Thanks, I'll check on that...

I may have something back home, let me check that by Wednesday evening or
Thursday morning when I get there. If you could get a shot of the chassis
showing the tube placement, it would be helpful, as my documentation is
by chassis number, which is not the same as model number. There is a related
thread about another Fleetwood console in videokarma, also in NS. Regards.

Thanks, I'll take some Pics of the inside tonight...and post them back tonight or tomorrow.

It's interesting that the fleetwood insigna is almost identical to Grundig from Germany (except Grundig has a 3 leaf clover and "Grundig" where you have three stars and "Fleetwood").

Thanks,
There could of been some sort of association between Grundig of W.Germany at the time, and Fleetwood of Montréal, Canada.
I'll take it apart tonight, and I shouldn't be surprise to see some German parts inside.
By the way, the TT is a Dual 1007, also a Co. from Germany.

 

[AUdubon5425]

Fleetwood was marketing Grundig in Canada around that time.

See my reply to your post on the Dual 1007 - your stereo was made in 1962.

 

[Patrice B]

Hello Moinau,

I have three pieces of gear from Fleetwood:

1- A console pull with SE 6AQ5's and it sounds really good but obviously lacks bass.

2- A Grundig/Fleetwood mono console I bought not so long ago. Pacifictv furnished a free schematic at my request, talk about service! This one is sloppy and doesn't sound good as the PP EL84 circuit was modified in SE (maybe a shorted winding on the output transformer). I'll investigate on it during my summer vacations...

3- A cheap portable record player with two 50EH5's inside and hot chassis (no power transformer). Definitely not hi-fi even if stated on the front.

Out of the bunch, the cheap console pull is the winner and once recapped, it'll be fine until I die...

The interesting thing is that two pieces are genuine Canadian made in Montréal like you already said.

 

[Bluelobster]

Some info on the turntable. You may have to register to view the link.
http://www.vinylengine.com/library/dual/1007-a.shtml

It might be fun to play with the turntable to get a taste of an idler drive. You might want to try a different tone arm before playing your good records.

 

[moinau]

It's interesting that the fleetwood insigna is almost identical to Grundig from Germany (except Grundig has a 3 leaf clover and "Grundig" where you have three stars and "Fleetwood").

An AK member has found more info, and it seems that Grundig was marketing their products with the help of Fleetwood ...
As "AUdubon" found out..

Fleetwood was marketing Grundig in Canada around that time.

See my reply to your post on the Dual 1007 - your stereo was made in 1962.

Thanks, Got it...

Hello Moinau,

I have three pieces of gear from Fleetwood:

1- A console pull with SE 6AQ5's and it sounds really good but obviously lacks bass.

2- A Grundig/Fleetwood mono console I bought not so long ago. Pacifictv furnished a free schematic at my request, talk about service! This one is sloppy and doesn't sound good as the PP EL84 circuit was modified in SE (maybe a shorted winding on the output transformer). I'll investigate on it during my summer vacations...

3- A cheap portable record player with two 50EH5's inside and hot chassis (no power transformer). Definitely not hi-fi even if stated on the front.

Out of the bunch, the cheap console pull is the winner and once recapped, it'll be fine until I die...

The interesting thing is that two pieces are genuine Canadian made in Montréal like you already said.

Merci pour les informations "gugusse" Très apprécier...

I find the sound from this console quite good, the low frequencies are somewhat light, little bass, but overall the sound is acceptable.
I will put the whole console apart, clean it and do a complete rebuild.
Some parts might be a mite hard to acquire, but you never know.
Thanks

 

[moinau]

I may have something back home, let me check that by Wednesday evening or
Thursday morning when I get there. If you could get a shot of the chassis
showing the tube placement, it would be helpful, as my documentation is
by chassis number, which is not the same as model number. There is a related
thread about another Fleetwood console in videokarma, also in NS. Regards.

I don't know if these photos will be of any help to you. The back plate was glued on, I'll have some problem taking that off, I think...

 

[moinau]

More pics of the same...

 

[moinau]

And some more...

 

[AUdubon5425]

Looks like a single-ended 6AQ5 amp - not bad at all, probably 8-10 watts.

 

[electroking]

Hello again,

For your schematic, have a look at post number 12 in this thread:

http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=247829

The multiplex adapter should be plugged in the RCA connector on top
of the chassis. Its schematic can be found at the pacifictv site as
discussed before. Get back to me if you have any questions. Regards.

P.S.: it looks like you don't have the multiplex adapter, so no stereo
FM sound for the time being. Bye for now.

 

[Patrice B]

An AK member has found more info, and it seems that Grundig was marketing their products with the help of Fleetwood ...
As "AUdubon" found out..



Thanks, Got it...



Merci pour les informations "gugusse" Très apprécier...

I find the sound from this console quite good, the low frequencies are somewhat light, little bass, but overall the sound is acceptable.
I will put the whole console apart, clean it and do a complete rebuild.
Some parts might be a mite hard to acquire, but you never know.
Thanks

Oh... One of the schematics of Electroking looks similar to what I have. It's the 2058A.

However, your layout paper is similar to mine:

Yours seems to have separate controls for bass and treble but mine has only a "tone" pot.

But... the 2058A is also the same.

 

[electroking]

In the other thread, the model of the complete cabinet also had a different number
from what I eventually found to be the correct schematic. I trust what I pointed
to in my previous message is the correct schematic, although there may be
slight differences. As I discussed in the other thread you started (on the Dual
turntable), the missing multiplex adapter used to be a bargain priced surplus
item, but I haven't seen any of those for years. Good luck, this is a fairly nice
console. Bye for now.

P.S.: I rechecked my collection of RCC manuals, and unfortunately I could not
find a Fleetwood set with that tube complement and layout and dual tone
controls (bass/treble), so the schematic I mentioned is the closest I can find. Good luck.

 

[moinau]

I don't know if these photos will be of any help to you. The back plate was glued on, I'll have some problem taking that off, I think...

And some more...

On my two quoted posts, there is a tube, (seven pins) on the second photos of the first post and again showing on the first photo of the second post, and immediately above the tube you can see a wire sticking out of one of the pin hole.
The tube has seven pin, and is connected to an 8 holes receptacle.
The 8th hole is plugged with this wire.

Any comment on that. I've never owned a tube amp before or Radio, as an adult, although as a kid, my parents had numerous radios and TVs with tubes, but that does not make me an expert on tubes related equipment. I've tried pulling this wire, or what looks like a wire, to no avail.
As mentioned earlier, everything works, FM radio and Dual TT. Since we don't have AM reception anymore in the greater Halifax/Dartmouth region, AM is of no concern.
Thanks

 

[electroking]

Your last message is a bit hard to follow. Could you tell me what tube type you
are referring to, using the type number as given on the paper chart showing the
tubes? As far as I understand, some wire is slipped under the tube and plugged
into the socket: that sounds weird. Don't try to pull anything until you understand
what it is...

As for AM, have you tried at night, I mean between 10 PM and 5 AM? With
a known working radio (such as a car radio), I mean. Stations hundreds of
kilometers away can routinely be heard.

 

[derekva]

You need to rip out the existing single-ended receiver and substitute one of these:

Then you could have...






....wait for it...






...a Fleetwood-MAC.

-Derek

(sorry...I couldn't resist)

 

[moinau]

Your last message is a bit hard to follow. Could you tell me what tube type you
are referring to, using the type number as given on the paper chart showing the
tubes? As far as I understand, some wire is slipped under the tube and plugged
into the socket: that sounds weird. Don't try to pull anything until you understand
what it is...

As for AM, have you tried at night, I mean between 10 PM and 5 AM? With
a known working radio (such as a car radio), I mean. Stations hundreds of
kilometers away can routinely be heard.

Hi,
Sorry, a bit late responding...

As I was saying, there is a tube which has seven pins plugged into a socket which has 8 holes, one of the hole in the socket, the one above the tube has a wire plugged into it (sticking out of the 8 hole). Although not an expert in valves equipment, I'm quite sure that this is not normal. Probably the last owner had a purpose for this weird set-up.

I took more pictures showing where this tube is exactly.
The tube in question as per diagram, and also written on the tube itself, is the 6BA6, just above the T2 and T3.
The full name of this tube is, H2E Fleetwood GT. BRITAIN 6BA6

As for AM stations, I didn't try it yet at night. When I put everything back together, I'll give it a try. I know that by tuning some of my tuners and radios at night, and depending on weather conditions, clouds coverage or not, and inversions, you can bounce signals quite far, for instance, New York, Québec, Ontario, and numerous city in Europe.

The five pics attached shows:
The first two are the diagram showing the tube in question immediately right of the red pen.

The other three, shows the socket where the tube should be plugged.
As the pics shows, you can see the wire sticking out of one of the hole. On the last pic, I've the red pen pointing at the wire.
Although this wire appear to be covered with paper, it's not, it's bare and greenish of color.