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Forte Report Day

I had told Rick I was gonna give him a cheap Lepai 2020A+ as a thank-you for helping me pick up the Fortes, but when he showed up Sunday I was unable to find the one I thought was unopened in my audio closet.

He dropped by yesterday for a visit, and by then I'd found the darn thing where it had slipped behind some other boxes, so he got his Lepai. He'd never heard of them, so when I told him the price he was suitably unimpressed. I explained the wallwart upgrade, and talked the amp up enough so that I think he'll try it out rather than toss it. Waiting to hear from him on that widget.

He likes to listen at higher SPLs than do I, so we were cranking the Fortes up pretty high. As a cabinet maker he spent more time with loud machines than did I, so his hearing losses trump mine by a little, understandably. (For me woodwork was a home improvement and hobby endeavor, and not avocation.) We had a good visit and he was impressed with the Fortes.

Later in the evening, listening at much lower levels, I was very happy with their sound turned down. I found that I could still hear the detail and the bass just hunky dory at quite low levels, and still get good dynamics, too. Inasmuch as I tend to do quite a bit of low level listening that was music to my ears indeed. I'm likin' this and finding that they fit my needs well. Sound great at low, moderate and high SPLs. If Fortes won't play loud enough for you, then either you have a damn big room or I don't wanta be in there with you, but will send Rick as my proxy to get the lowdown.

Really, I was very pleased to hear the dynamic plucks, snaps, etc at very low levels; adds a lot of musical enjoyment when in the mellow mood mode of low level listening. Bob James and Earl Klugh's collaborative effort "Cool" was well served by this approach.
 
Is the Ti tweeter diaphragm replacement worthwhile on its on without doing crossover work?

And thanks for reminding me about Cherry Poppin' Daddies, Doc...went straight to 'em for some good listening immediately upon reading your post.

I never was a 4311 fan, and while there have been several B&Ws I liked, they were always the ones beyond my pay grade. Same question as above about the Ti. If worthwhile on its own, may do it this Christmas. Also, any reason to consider recapping with the regular black n yeller Daytons?
I don't know as I haven't done the Ti upgrade yet. Just been considering it based upon all of the positive feedback on the forum. For $58 shipped for what mine would need it's very affordable. Plus I'll try to sell the old ones on a big auction site.

I recapped my KG4.2s with a 33uF Mundorf electrolytic and a couple of Solen Fast Caps. There were only 3 caps total in each crossover of the 4.2s. Very easy and cheap. I've not tried the Dayton caps in anything so I really can't comment on them.
 
I may need to bring my CF3s up from the basement soon. All this Klipsch talk has me getting an itch. The fact that my new tube amp is on it's way might have something to do with it as well. I have too many nice toys damn it!

cubdog
 
I may need to bring my CF3s up from the basement soon. All this Klipsch talk has me getting an itch. The fact that my new tube amp is on it's way might have something to do with it as well. I have too many nice toys damn it!

cubdog

What tube amp do you have on the way, cubdog?
 
Yes, I'm hearing instruments via the Fortes that went missing for my old ears with the 7se II's. It wasn't that I'd never heard them previously, as sometimes is remarked by folks after a speaker change, it's just that it has been many years since I've heard them. For example, I listened to the once-popular Double Vision album by Bob James and David Sanborn this morning and heard some percussive instruments and some keyboard filigree in the upper registers that went missing with the more recessed Paradigms.

However, I'm not going to attempt a blow-by-blow account of everything I've been auditioning since getting these speakers home Sunday night. The improvement in sound quality here has been across the board and hands-down astounding. Bass is articulate and effortless, and the improvement in dynamic response breath-takingly obvious. Mids are more up front, and that is a plus for my aging hearing as is the increase in HF energy. Are they the perfect old man speaker as a customer my current age once told me almost thirty years ago? Maybe so. For me, definitely.

I can't stop listening to them. Recorded music never sounded better to me, and I'm doing the old gotta-hear-all-that-stuff-I-love thing we do when presented with a major upgrade. As I type this, though, on my desk-top PC, I'm listening to the Paradigm Mini Monitors v3 which moved here from the bedroom system. Now at the proper height, they sound great and are a huge upgrade from the various speakers which preceded them in this room.
Finally, for those who asked. The Paradigm PS-1000 subwoofer remains in the living room set to roll off at 50hz and providing that LF heft to which I've grown accustomed. The Fortes have great bass on their own, but for that realism down deep this works very well. It stays.

You sound a lot like I did a year ago when I made my last speaker-upgrade. You end up burning through your music collection trying different things (When you start playing stuff that you used to avoid, that's when you know it's working, and it sounds like that's the case... Glad those are working out for you).

Later in the evening, listening at much lower levels, I was very happy with their sound turned down. I found that I could still hear the detail and the bass just hunky dory at quite low levels, and still get good dynamics, too. Inasmuch as I tend to do quite a bit of low level listening that was music to my ears indeed. I'm likin' this and finding that they fit my needs well. Sound great at low, moderate and high SPLs. If Fortes won't play loud enough for you, then either you have a damn big room or I don't wanta be in there with you, but will send Rick as my proxy to get the lowdown.

Really, I was very pleased to hear the dynamic plucks, snaps, etc at very low levels; adds a lot of musical enjoyment when in the mellow mood mode of low level listening. Bob James and Earl Klugh's collaborative effort "Cool" was well served by this approach.

I bet the subwoofer really-helps with low-level listening. That hadn't occurred to me before, but it makes a lot of sense for people who like to listen at lower, background-music levels.
 
I bought a Shuguang S8MK from Grant Fidelity. I should get it early next week.
cubdog

It looks nice in the pictures, good bit of power, bet it would like my Fortes, too. Will watch for your thread about it soon, eh?

:lmao:
Damn, that was funny...

Really was.

You sound a lot like I did a year ago when I made my last speaker-upgrade. You end up burning through your music collection trying different things (When you start playing stuff that you used to avoid, that's when you know it's working, and it sounds like that's the case... Glad those are working out for you).

I bet the subwoofer really-helps with low-level listening. That hadn't occurred to me before, but it makes a lot of sense for people who like to listen at lower, background-music levels.

Wish I had heard some W-90s, but I bet I like my speakers as much as I know you like yours. I reckon we both done okay.

True, the subwoofer does help some, but the Fortes are providing the lion's share of the bass and still do very well for LLL on their own.
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I'm enjoying this Forte' thread -- like a trip down 'Memory Lane'. ;?)
Vintage JBL, KEF, and Infinity have been 'time traps' recently for me.
One comment has been made that may help me. On another subject, I may be of some help.
1. Tube amps: I bought my first tube amp the other day. (The last tube equipment I owned was a Drake 2-B SW receiver that I sold to help fund my first semester in engineering school -- fifty years ago!) I bought a Jolida 502b in fond hopes of hearing the glorious 'tube sound' that everyone talks about. It is in mint condition and when I turned it on, the speakers were totally silent (The volume down all the way.) "Good start!" I thought. So, I pressed 'Play' on the CD player and slowly turned the volume control up ... and up ... and up. I could hear some faint music, so I figured no harm in taking it to a low listening level -- about 2/3 'open throttle'. The sound was the quality of my first transistor radio! Drat-it-all! 900 bucks down the drain! (I know people spend much more on their tube amps, but I consider that some serious geetis.)
Well, thanks to you guys, all may not be lost!. I think I had the Jolida pushing some 104/2s. Why not try the much-more-efficient Klipsch Fortes?! Duh! ;?)
2. I performed a lot of upgrades on my Forte' -- some I liked and kept, some not so much .... and didn't keep! ;?) The final result was a great improvement to an already great sound!
Maybe this is not the place, and maybe no one cares, but these are some items that helped. These comments pertain only to the original Forte' model.
a. Crites crossover board -- worth every penny! Being somewhat OC (OK ... a lot! ;?), I add the following: Tighten WELL the terminal strip screws -- I found several loose. (Old man view: They should be soldered with pigtails and good-to-go.) DON'T just place the crossover board loose on the slanted baffle board with the piece of foam -- leave it 'as is'. Place self-stick velcro pads on the bottom edge, as well as the back, of Bob's board. Take the adhesive cover off both velcro parts (both sticky and fuzzy). Work Bob's board down below the slanted acoustic baffle, with the back of the crossover board pressed against the backside of the front speaker surface and resting on the inside bottom of the speaker cabinet. The end result is a crossover board supported vertically against the back of the speaker front panel, as well as the bottom of the speaker cabinet. The wire pigtails will be facing up and ready to go! The board will be retained in place, as well as insulated from the cabinet, by the velcro pads, bottom edge and back. But, easily removeable for whatever purposes in the future.
b. Bob's Ti tweeter diaphragm is the way to go. Follow his instructions -- to the letter. BUT -- it is really a much easier job than it sounds! (A pleasant surprise for an old man!) If you have been thinking it is too difficult, don't put it off for that reason alone, any longer. I have Lewy body dimentia, and it was a 'walk in the park' for me. Which basically means your average 5 year old would be fine with it!
c. Bob and I respectfully disagree on this point: For the mids, you can order 'drop in' Ti mid-dome diaphragm replacements from Infinity. As Nike says, "Just do it!" Great mids! Great sound!
d. The base of your Forte' wants a firm base! So does its Bass! I realize not everyone will order 2 80# 12" X 18" black California granite laboratory blocks to 'cradle' his/her Forte', but I HIGHLY recommend it! Raises it by 4" and looks terrific with the factory base!
Greg
 
I loved my Forte II's until they got moved out in the living room where bass goes to die . aaaarrrgggghhhhhh !
 
I just purchased a set of Forte II's, can't wait to get them hooked up and see if I like them.

Glad you are liking yours! :thmbsp:
 
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