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Frazier Bookshelf - Midget?

Me Tarzan

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Picked up a pair of Frazier bookshelf speakers today for $3. Not really a matched pair but same models. Drivers look very similar but not sure what they are. Grills are different. The newer one has particle board back with phillips head screws and the older one has a douglas fir back with flathead screws. Both have same rear dual porting, same stuffing, same dimensions. Definitely same design and the wood matches well but new grills would need to be installed if I decide to keep. Curious how they will sound with my little K12 tube amp. Found a couple thread about Midget's and Super Midget's but pics had expired. Anyone know what model these are or what the drivers might be?

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Picked up a pair of Frazier bookshelf speakers today for $3. Not really a matched pair but same models. Drivers look very similar but not sure what they are. Grills are different. The newer one has particle board back with phillips head screws and the older one has a douglas fir back with flathead screws. Both have same rear dual porting, same stuffing, same dimensions. Definitely same design and the wood matches well but new grills would need to be installed if I decide to keep. Curious how they will sound with my little K12 tube amp. Found a couple thread about Midget's and Super Midget's but pics had expired. Anyone know what model these are or what the drivers might be?

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There are a pair these down at my favorite thrift store, they hooked them up for me to demo and I was impressed. I'm not sure what model they are, but if you can go on Facebook and the go to the Frazier users group, they can answer all your questions.
 
Those are very cool, and though I'm not terribly familiar with the Frazier line, it appears they are called Super Midgets. With different grilles, back panels and drivers, I'd guess that your serial numbers are not very close to each other. I would have picked those up in an instant. Good find!

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Thanks for the info. Not a Facebooker but maybe I can get wife to check it out for me, maybe at least get the specs on the drivers. Will plug in them Super Midgets soon!
 
Some interesting Frazier models shown here. Now Tarzan needs to find some "Californians" to go with the Super Midgets! :D

http://www.itishifi.com/search/label/Frazier

Wow! Tarzan keep eye out Californians. I hooked up the Super Midgets to 8w K12 tube amp and was impressed by the efficiency of these speakers compared to the Polk Monitor 4A's I normally run that claim 91db. Close to twice the volume at half the level. The Polk's usually start starving and breaking up around 1 o'clock on the volume but the Fraziers were clean at 3 o'clock. Clean and very musical but lacking low end. Not sure how to best position the Midgets but I experimented with height and distance from wall and found about 3" from wall to produce the most low end. Turned my back on the speakers and got between them with sound projecting on wall in front of me and reflecting back and slowing moving forward found a sweet spot with more low end and just enough highs. Tried a few genres but jazz really came alive on these speakers but still needed more stand-up bass in the mix. Maybe a small sub? Chill music sounded really flat, not only lacking low but also lacking high end. Came to the conclusion that even though these speakers were constructed before every home had surround sound that they would be ideal as a center channel in most home systems. Might replace the Onkyo in my 5.1 for a while and see how it sounds. The Midgets also revealed a hum in my tube amp that is normally easy to ignore but have convinced me it's time for a tune-up. Will be receiving a Maverick Audio tube DAC this week and plan on running it through a Soundcraftsman 2502 and and giving the Fraziers another listen with more headroom. Very lively speakers indeed but sort of lacking in the range that I enjoy.
 
Wow! Tarzan keep eye out Californians. I hooked up the Super Midgets to 8w K12 tube amp and was impressed by the efficiency of these speakers compared to the Polk Monitor 4A's I normally run that claim 91db. Close to twice the volume at half the level. The Polk's usually start starving and breaking up around 1 o'clock on the volume but the Fraziers were clean at 3 o'clock. Clean and very musical but lacking low end. Not sure how to best position the Midgets but I experimented with height and distance from wall and found about 3" from wall to produce the most low end. Turned my back on the speakers and got between them with sound projecting on wall in front of me and reflecting back and slowing moving forward found a sweet spot with more low end and just enough highs. Tried a few genres but jazz really came alive on these speakers but still needed more stand-up bass in the mix. Maybe a small sub? Chill music sounded really flat, not only lacking low but also lacking high end. Came to the conclusion that even though these speakers were constructed before every home had surround sound that they would be ideal as a center channel in most home systems. Might replace the Onkyo in my 5.1 for a while and see how it sounds. The Midgets also revealed a hum in my tube amp that is normally easy to ignore but have convinced me it's time for a tune-up. Will be receiving a Maverick Audio tube DAC this week and plan on running it through a Soundcraftsman 2502 and and giving the Fraziers another listen with more headroom. Very lively speakers indeed but sort of lacking in the range that I enjoy.

All Frazier models were pretty efficient, my Frazier Eleven's are claimed to be 107db. Jack Frazier used to show off at the trade shows by hooking a 9 volt transistor radio up to one and producing pretty good sound.

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Dang I don't think I would miss a Model 11 or any other Frazier from this point on! That speaker does not have the appearance of lacking low end. Read elsewhere that Frazier had all of the drivers built to spec but the driver in the Midget is identical to the Bose 901 drivers.
 
Frazier was a different company for sure. They were all pretty efficient and came from the loud school. They didn't have the quality of a JBL or Altec system, but if you needed quality sound on a tight budget, Frazier usually had the answer. His designs were better when large enclosures could be used. When speakers started to be come smaller, more compact, Frazier pretty much got out of the retail business, and concentrated on professional and commercial customers. We used a number of their 215 woofers as subs for discos. They could handle quite a bit of power and put out big sound at low frequencies. When Don and Carolyn Davis started promoting designs of speakers with specific directivity specs with lower timing errors, Frazier was there to fill the need in the 70's. We had a number of auctioneers that needed portable small loud efficient systems. Frazier was the first to fill the bill. Bose tried with their commercial version of the 901, but was a flop. JBL and Ev finally filled the nitch . Today every one makes smaller portable vocal speakers to be placed on tri-pods.
 
I understand Frazier Super Midgets were standard issue on Lear Jets back in the day. Could be wrong, and a Frazier expert is welcome to set me straight. I collect pre-74 equipment and graduated High School in 1971. That should give you a general idea of the "Vibe". I have a number of Sansui 9090, Pioneer SX 1010, etc. but power my matched pair of 1968 "Super Midgets" with a lovely 1968 Realistic STA-65B (2x32 watts rms) receiver. The setup is very smooth, pleasant, and without listener fatigue. They are used exclusively for FM Classical music listening, and I am overjoyed with the presentation.

The "Super Midgets" in their Helmholtz resonator cabinets are quite nice, and can "transport me" to a place that larger, more expensive, speakers cannot. Frankly, they have "character", and my Wife (there it is) will not allow me to sell them. Like me, she seems "attached". They were acquired for $2.00 each, and for what I can see, come along very infrequently, but when they do, demand a premium. You Frazier collectors should give them a try, and find "space" for them if at all possible.

Recently, I've seen them go for around $200.00 to $300.00 per pair. Could I buy better speakers? Of course I could, but then, the "experience", and "Vibe" would be lost. You older guys know exactly what I'm talking about. We don't "NEED" any of this equipment, but sometime can reward ourselves with the personal experience as I have.. I had so much fun in my brand new 1971 Super Beetle , all dolled up with a Craig 8 track, "Power booster", with Oaktron 6X9's., and 5'" speakers in the doors. This was before "Power Amps" became popular, but thought I was in heaven. See, I just drifted off to that time, place, and am married to the girl who used to ride around in it with me. Everyone had the "Bread" tape, and maybe "Grand Funk Railroad".

Audio people become very "attached" to their equipment, and don't need anyone to judge their sentiment. I've always been impressed with the courtesy and respect between audio collectors, I could have a pair of 1,000 watt McIntosh mono blocks, on Khorns, but it won't take me anywhere.. I'm not telling you guys anything you don't know, but wanted to share my personal thoughts on the little "Super Midgets". It was difficult not to say "Warm", so I'll leave it there.

I'd say that if you find a matching pair for $50.00, or less, reward yourself. You deserve it. You that enjoy Classical, will enjoy them as I do. Completely acceptable bass, reasonable treble (12,000 hz). I will advise against getting drunk, sitting in a dark room, listening to Johnny Cash records, and calling old girlfriends to ask why they don't love you anymore. "Ron, I'm married, and have three children".. Here come those tears again. Don't ask me how I know. 3 indictments, no convictions, so I've got that going for me.

Another fine alternate is the AKAI Jetsound speakers. A single 4" driver, but exceptional resonance through a well constructed little folded horn style enclosure. A "Labrynith" if you will.

NOTE: please don't buy a pair thinking you can replace the drivers with Bose 901 units. IMHO, the Midgets soul will escape, and just become a pair of small wooden boxes.

This is my first post, so please forgive the rambling. I'll get a handle on it as I learn.

Much Respect to my fellow "addicts", and please know that I share your joy..

Ron
 
Sorry to revive an old thread but looking for a little input on my newly acquired Frazier Super Midgets. Just picked these up and was wondering if anyone can give me some insight as to why mine are front ported and the one's I've seen here are rear ported. Maybe there was a design change at some time during their production?

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I’ve seen a handful of different designs. My friend has an 8’ stack in his closet. I use them to mount modern tweeters in, look nice sitting on top.

Biggles
 
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