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Fried Signature A/2 speakers

Alandro,

Welcome to the Fried club. I love my Model R's. can't wait to hear your impressions once you get them refoamed.

Dave
 
Re the Hiquphon vs Phase Tech controversy -- I think I may be responsible for the claim that the Qs and As used the Hiquphon, but that was, as I said in my post, my memory, not a certainty. Bud Fried wrote about using them, and I didn't recognize the tweeters in my original series Qs or the As I found a few years ago, so I assumed they were the Hiquphons. But I very well may be wrong.
I'm happy to see what's in my A3s, and post about it.
 
Ouch. That information was in place as of a couple months ago. Wonder what happened?

I have been in contact wih Manfred at the IMF website.
He is not sure what happened to the info on the Fried speakers.
He knows that Stephane has been having server problems.

I am disappointed the problem has not been fixed.

Many people are unaware of the research and advancements I.M Fried made in loudspeaker design.
 
Alandro,

Welcome to the Fried club. I love my Model R's. can't wait to hear your impressions once you get them refoamed.

Dave

You asked, I deliver. I installed the two replacement Phase Tech tweeters (the A/2's and Q/3's definitely use the Phase Tech) that I picked up on eBay and completed the refoam on the woofers yesterday. Fired them up today and they are definitely great speakers. They really sing. I find them quite interesting actually. Very crisp and proud top end without being harsh or fatiguing at all. I find the bottom maybe just a little light, but the bass produced is tight and well defined. Very nice, well balanced, open sounding speakers. I'd say right up there with my brother's ADS L-710's as a comparison. Much more sophisticated than my big original Advents with the masonite ring...although they can't do the bottom end like the Advents.

I like them a lot. I'm probably going to sell them though.
 
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I know it's in poor taste not to post a pic...so here's the post repair pic.

Please excuse the cat feet. This one immediately occupies any previously unavailable flat surface.
 

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Remember, questions of value belong in Dollars and Sense. But I agree with nolasally.
 
Thanks for the reminder, I didn’t know about that forum! But I did get the speakers and I am quite happy. Superb imaging and incredibly natural voice reproduction. My comparisons are Polk LS50s towers and Paradigm Titan bookshelves. These A/2s make the other two sound harsh in comparison. The LS50s beat them in bass punch and the Titans sound like smaller versions of them, but you can hear they’re smaller. These are very good speakers. There is only one technical flaw in my pair, which is the tweeter housing is broken on one. The tweeter still works, it just moves around a bit. How should I secure it? The reason it’s moving is because the plastic is broken at the screw holes.
 
OK, one other question. Update on the tweeter situation, here's a picture of what is broken attached to this post. A few:

1. Does this need fixing? I can push it in and it stays, but it isn't very tightly in there. The speakers sound pretty good right now, I don't think it's changing the sound, but also who knows what it would be like if fixed
2. Could I just swap the bolts for panhead machine screws to cover the existing plastic and hold it in?
3. Were these bolts even holding it in to begin with? It kinda looks more like there's a spring loaded piece (the domed heads on the side) that holds it in and the bolts were for something else. But on the other hand, I found a similar construction on another Fried speaker where it looks like the bolts really held in the tweeter: http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k199/Urizen_2006/Fried2.jpg
 

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I was puzzled by your picture - I have a pair of As or A2s, but the tweeter looked unfamiliar and peculiar. The picture in the attachment reveals all - the mesh cover is gone from yours, and perhaps it was knocked off, which would explain the broken plastic flange. I would unscrew the two currently useless screws and march down to the hardware store and get panheads with the same thread size and pitch (or even just washers and use the existing screws).
Those two protrusions at nine and three look like the terminal studs, and sooner or later the very thin leads from them to the voice coil will break if everything keeps flopping about. I wouldn't worry about the mesh protection too much, and I wouldn't worry about the different looks of the upper and lower screw heads (or the washers) at all.
 
I actually pulled the mesh off mine for the picture, the adhesive was shot and it was only held on magnetically. Thanks to the help of a forum member, I was able to locate one of these tweeters on eBay for an affordable price and went ahead and got it. Seemed like the right thing to do to put these speakers as close to the way they were intended as possible.
 
Hang on to the original tweeter - a lot of the Frieds made use of HiQphon tweeters which are fairly scarce, and while the ease with which you got a replacement suggests a less esoteric source, you never know how easy it will be later, if by chance, you blow one. Though it seems to me the tweeter might be fused, which isn't infallible, but is a help.
 
Oh definitely, I wouldn't dream about getting rid of something like that! I believe the tweeters for these are made by the new defunct Phase Audio , and the one I got was actually from a Q/3, not an A/2 but the original poster of this thread discovered they use the same tweeter. I think I just got lucky one was for sale right now, I doubt they come up any more often than every few years.

I do have a question for the experts here. I noticed this weird foam gasket on my woofers that doesn't seem to be original, or at least in any other pictures on the net of this speaker. Any idea what it's for or why someone would put it there? I assume it was put in when they replaced the sorround and it is made of a very rigid foam. The guy I bought it from was one owner removed from whoever did the foam so I can't ask him. And yeah the speakers are upside down to go on my bookshelf which isn't ideal but might be the only place I can fit them in my house unfortunately
 

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Plenty of drivers have gaskets, whether to allow for mounting them on the back of baffle, or perhaps to help with holding the just glued surround on, protecting when shipping, or simply for cosmetics. There being there doesn't hurt anything, so I wouldn't think twice about it.
 
Hang on to the original tweeter - a lot of the Frieds made use of HiQphon tweeters which are fairly scarce, and while the ease with which you got a replacement suggests a less esoteric source, you never know how easy it will be later, if by chance, you blow one. Though it seems to me the tweeter might be fused, which isn't infallible, but is a help.[/QUOTE
Fried never used the Hiquphon tweeters in the A,Q, or Beta models.
The Phase Tech tweeters were used in most of the above models.
 
I'm adding my two-cents to this thread, as there is a pair of new in the box A/2's on eBay. One point, no one seems to have mentioned is that these Fried Speakers are transmission line speakers, a bass reflex variation (the inner cabinet should have extra passages from the back of the woofer to the slot - think of a maze), the foam in the slot being part of the design. Fried was the only one doing so at the time and was rumored to provide extended bass response for the small box volume. I've not head any since 1978 but in my memory they sounded nice. It would be interesting to see a cross-section view of the cabinet. Surely the woofers will need re-foaming. Just checked the ad again, local pickup only in Reynoldsburg, OH. I'm L.A. Oh, fudge it. For someone around there, New In Box, less than two bills.
 
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They are not real transmission lines. They are a simplification - real TLs have a heavily damped tube (usually folded to fit into a large but conventional enclosure) with a length of around a quarter of a wavelength of the resonant frequency of the driver, whereas most of the Frieds had a tunnel completely filled with a block of foam (I'm coming up short in trying to remember the name of the design - resistive line?). The damping, which supposedly absorbs the backwave completely, differentiates TLs from things like the Stromberg Carlson Acoustical Labyrinth, which was similar in construction, but undamped which meant there was significant bump at, or close to, resonance.
TLs are known for clear deep bass (my hunch is that it is the (relative) lack of any resonance at the low end that makes the very deep response audible) but don't expect them to have overwhelming powerful bass - for that you want resonance.
There have been a bunch of Transmission Line manufacturers. IMF was the best known, and before Fried Loudspeakers, Bud Fried was the US importer of IMF (which he somehow persuaded to use his initials for their name). He claimed involvement in design and implementation of the speakers (though this was disputed by John Wright, the founder of the company - I have no knowledge of the accuracy of either claim, but clearly both were talented speaker designers, since both made highly regarded speakers after falling out - Fried with his eponymous firm and Wright with TDL). But Radford, Lentek, Exposure, ESS (the Transtatic), pop into my mind before my memory gives out.
The much simpler to build Fried resistive lines sound very good - though perhaps they don't have exactly the same low end as a full TL. And that highlights an issue with TLs, which has been there from the beginning when Bailey published his paper codifying the idea. Which is that, in fact, the rear wave is not actually entirely dissipated by the damped line. So one might look at the design as an exceedingly complicated and expensive bass reflex with a lot of damping. Or as an aperiodic design, which would be way simpler and cheaper - the aperiodic Dynaco A 25 still is a remarkably nice speaker for its original bottom end price. And frankly, to my eye, the Frieds look like tuned aperiodic enclosures, if that isn't an oxymoron - the damped long rectangular tunnel's function seems to be to affect a more specific set of frequencies than a simple damped hole does.

I think it might be helpful to include a comment about Fried's other distinction - series crossovers. Most crossovers split the various frequency bands and run them in parallel, but series crossovers have the components in a single circuit. I readily admit I haven't been able to grasp how this works (I also haven't tried that hard). But Bud Fried argued strenuously that they were better than standard crossovers, and that might be another reason for how the speakers sound.
 
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