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Ghost Components, or, Empty Cases that Make Music

Clmrt

Just thrilled.
I brought in an older Sony 209ES to replace my now slightly noisy CDP-291. Popped the 291's hood and...

:yikes:
 

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CELT said:
You weren't really surprised by that were you? ;)

Yes, I mean hey, where's the thingy with the chips and stuff?

Oh - integrated with the display. How innovative!
 

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Clmrt said:
Yes, I mean hey, where's the thingy with the chips and stuff?
Oh - integrated with the display. How innovative!
Yep. It's just a way to keep production costs down. A CDP doesn't require that much circuitry thanks to IC's. Think about the tiny portable CDP's on the market these days that have built in tuners and decode MP3's etc.
 
Clmrt said:
Gee whiz. But this is a 1991 model. I thought they ran on coal or steam or something.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: As a friend of mine used to say, "Who'd a thunk it?"
Nah...I've seen some players filled up to the brim with packed boards, but that doesn't neccesaily mean they are going to perform any better. The only thing that irks me on the modern CDP's and DVD's players is with all that empty real estate, why don't they just make the damn things smaller and be done with it? No one who picks up a 19" wide component that weighs three pounds should be too surprised by what's (not) inside.
 
Here's the innards of a Nakamichi based McIntosh MCD-7008 CD changer. It's a very good sounding (albeit mechanically quirky) player. Don't let all that business inside fool you though. Quite a bit of it is for display and programming.
 
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People expect things to be a certain size.

Things need to be a certain size to fulfill their technological requirements.

If those two sizes are not equal, they add empty space.

You can buy tiny CD players that sound great. The playstation one is a good example of a quality CD transport. Some people claim they are amazingly good, but in the very least, they are quality, and work as a very effective and good sounding CD player. But because it isn't 19" rack size, with a black or silver face, large display, and front loading tray, people don't think of it as a home audio CD player. Companies have to pander to your expectations, regardless of technological needs.

Of course, if they knew it was going to be purchased by an audiophile, they'd probably put in a giant toroidal transformer, and four 10,000uF caps, just to convince you that your money was well spent. ;)

It gets really out of hand when companies add weight to cases by screwing random blocks of steel to the inside of the case, to make it 'feel' high end. I forget the exact model numbers, but people have occasionally discovered this marketing/deception in their gear before!

peace,
sam
 
Here is another wrinkle.... With NAND Flash memory technology, OLED displays, high efficiency battery designs, and integrated nanomechanical switches, it is now possible to design quality MP3 players that are actually too small to use effectively! I mean, consider the iPod nano, it is basically at the limit of what most people would actually choose to use, any smaller, and it would be a detriment, you couldn't read the display, or push the buttons.

So from here on out, simple MP3 players will have empty space in them, just to make it large enough to handle! We've hit our human need for size of music players. Wacky, huh?

peace,
sam
 
I had the 209ES open at the same time.

Better parts, generally, EXACT same xport mech and laser head assy, and a 2nd skin glued to the inside of every panel, for mass.

phidauex said:
People expect things to be a certain size.

Things need to be a certain size to fulfill their technological requirements.

If those two sizes are not equal, they add empty space.

You can buy tiny CD players that sound great. The playstation one is a good example of a quality CD transport. Some people claim they are amazingly good, but in the very least, they are quality, and work as a very effective and good sounding CD player. But because it isn't 19" rack size, with a black or silver face, large display, and front loading tray, people don't think of it as a home audio CD player. Companies have to pander to your expectations, regardless of technological needs.

Of course, if they knew it was going to be purchased by an audiophile, they'd probably put in a giant toroidal transformer, and four 10,000uF caps, just to convince you that your money was well spent. ;)

It gets really out of hand when companies add weight to cases by screwing random blocks of steel to the inside of the case, to make it 'feel' high end. I forget the exact model numbers, but people have occasionally discovered this marketing/deception in their gear before!

peace,
sam
 

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Space
The final frontier.....

You have to add some weight to it; otherwise when you push the button the box slides away.
 
For comparative purposes, the innards of a Sony CDP-302, as posted by M. Jarve :-)
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59516&highlight=Sony
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Mark W. said:
yea but just think of all the "STUFF" you could hide in all that empty space!!!

LOL, reminds me of the old SNL skit:

"And this is a Sony CDP-209ES, a high quality CD transport for all your listening needs. Plus, YOU CAN PUT YOUR WEEEEEEED IN HERE!!! MAN!!"
 
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