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blurkzzz

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several items and or questions.
i was listening to truckin up to buffalo last night ( rich stadium, 1989 ) and was once again struck by a peculiar phenomena in the recording / reproduction of garcia's vocal. what i hear at times can best be described as the sound of a trumpet player blowing through a trumpet that sorely needs to be purged of spit. i find this quality very desireable and would love to create this effect using means short of a full blown ultra sound rig, on a bar band budget.

anybody have a favorite sound system for listening to the dead?

waht's your favorite mis-understood rock lyric? mine was ( from"almost cut my hair" csn&y ) ......." the wheel from the chair ' the wheat from the chaff )

peace,
tom
 
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You'll get a gazillion different opinions on people's favorite (not necessarially the best) system on which to to enjoy the dead but I lean towards a vintage (early 70's) Marantz receiver and some JBL speakers of the same era.
 
This is one of the Dead's best 5.1 DVD's as well.

If you want to do it right, McIntosh MC-2300 power amp and JBL drivers. That's what garcia was listening to on stage for the most part. A high powered 70's Marantz will do the trick nicely as well.
 
I found my Realistic 2000D and a set of Kef 103/3 really sound great with bootlegs.......store bought cd also
 
umm... the one I use to listen to everything else.

If the OP's interested in the Dead's technology (instrumental as well as in terms of sound reproduction), this book might be of some interest....

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blurkzzz said:
several items and or questions.
i was listening to truckin up to buffalo last night ( rich stadium, 1989 ) and was once again struck by a peculiar phenomena in the recording / reproduction of garcia's vocal. what i hear at times can best be described as the sound of a trumpet player blowing through a trumpet that sorely needs to be purged of spit. i find this quality very desireable and would love to create this effect using means short of a full blown ultra sound rig, on a bar band budget.

anybody have a favorite sound system for listening to the dead?

waht's your favorite mis-understood rock lyric? mine was ( from"almost cut my hair" csn&y ) ......." the wheel from the chair ' the wheat from the chaff )

peace,
tom
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CCR "Bad Moon Rising" ....theres a bathroom on the right :music:


Just listened to "To Lay Me Down" cut from the Garcia solo album this morning on the way to work. Don't get me wrong I still love the Dead and Garcia but his vocals are pretty weak. Saw the Dead live a few times and have listened to them on and off for decades but I definitely understand how they could be considered an acquired taste.
 
clarification:
i would like to know if anyone is familiar what type of signal processing was used on garcia's vocal on that recording-- i would like to mimmic this with a sound re-inforcement system as yet to be realized. probably ciarre woofers, fiatel midrange drivers and crown or crest power amps- not sure about what mixer or mic-pre's.
i seem to remember reading about circuitry in meyer sound speaker systems that pre-distorts the signal in order to acheive greater clarity. like an aural exciter, yah??
i'm largely ignorant as to specifics and theory-- i just know what my ears like.
mostly listen with an old pioneer receiver and a couple sets of jbl's. nothing special-- would like to get crazy again and get some serious stuff like when i was a teenager-- life just keeps happening, you know?

so yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about (in reference to garcia's vocals sounding like he is singing through a tube full of spit before the sound hits the microphone ) i'd be eternally grateful to hear anyones theory as to how this is accomplished, or if this is purely a subjective phenomena--

thanks-

tom
 
OK. Short Answer: no clue.

Slightly longer answer: In the early days (1969!) the underwater effect on vocals (e.g., Rosemary[./i] on aoxomoxoa) was achieved by recording vocals reproduced using a Leslie cabinet - but you probably knew that! :-)

Advice: Check the book I mentioned in my earlier post.


blurkzzz said:
clarification:
i would like to know if anyone is familiar what type of signal processing was used on garcia's vocal on that recording-- i would like to mimmic this with a sound re-inforcement system as yet to be realized. probably ciarre woofers, fiatel midrange drivers and crown or crest power amps- not sure about what mixer or mic-pre's.
i seem to remember reading about circuitry in meyer sound speaker systems that pre-distorts the signal in order to acheive greater clarity. like an aural exciter, yah??
i'm largely ignorant as to specifics and theory-- i just know what my ears like.
mostly listen with an old pioneer receiver and a couple sets of jbl's. nothing special-- would like to get crazy again and get some serious stuff like when i was a teenager-- life just keeps happening, you know?

so yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about (in reference to garcia's vocals sounding like he is singing through a tube full of spit before the sound hits the microphone ) i'd be eternally grateful to hear anyones theory as to how this is accomplished, or if this is purely a subjective phenomena--

thanks-

tom
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blurkzzz said:
clarification:
i would like to know if anyone is familiar what type of signal processing was used on garcia's vocal on that recording-- i would like to mimmic this with a sound re-inforcement system as yet to be realized. probably ciarre woofers, fiatel midrange drivers and crown or crest power amps- not sure about what mixer or mic-pre's.
i seem to remember reading about circuitry in meyer sound speaker systems that pre-distorts the signal in order to acheive greater clarity. like an aural exciter, yah??
i'm largely ignorant as to specifics and theory-- i just know what my ears like.
mostly listen with an old pioneer receiver and a couple sets of jbl's. nothing special-- would like to get crazy again and get some serious stuff like when i was a teenager-- life just keeps happening, you know?

so yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about (in reference to garcia's vocals sounding like he is singing through a tube full of spit before the sound hits the microphone ) i'd be eternally grateful to hear anyones theory as to how this is accomplished, or if this is purely a subjective phenomena--

thanks-

tom
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There is one person who would probably be able to give you a definitive answer:

David Lemieux
vault@dead.net
 
Not sure on your particular inquiry, but I do know the europe '72 album has mostly dubbed over vocals. Hence those amazing vocals on the album.
Also europe '72 vol 2 coming out in a couple weeks!


Not sure if there are any traders out there but I have a nice stock of 100+ recordings. However, this is merely a small amount compared to some peoples collections....
 
Markw said:
You'll get a gazillion different opinions on people's favorite (not necessarially the best) system on which to to enjoy the dead but I lean towards a vintage (early 70's) Marantz receiver and some JBL speakers of the same era.
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I use a Sansui G9000DB and Klipsch Cornwalls.

I especially like the bootleg recordings dating back to the Wall of Sound where each bass string was picked up and amplified separately: if the "D" string was hot that night, you can tell. :smoke:
 
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