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Great Guitarist?

He also played lead (at George Harrison's request) on the song in question...

Yes Eric played the solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" as well as "Something".

It is pretty easy to tell the difference between Eric's playing and Freddy King's playing. Just as it is easy to tell the difference between Stevie Ray Vaughn's playing and Albert King's playing. Everyone is influenced by those that came before them. But it is clear that Clapton took his influences and made his own style. Listen to "Crossroads" and tell me that is note for note Freddie King. Sorry it is not. I don't think alot of Clapton's solo material holds up to his Cream or Derek And The Dominoes stuff, but hell, that is quite a high bar he set.
 
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dodog nailed it on his Clapton comment, IMO.
Clapton always played up.....or down.....to the people around him.
His solo material has always been a shadow of his earlier recorded material.
Just because he sold a lot of CD's, doesn't mean he sold a lot of GOOD CD's?

Steve
 
I'll get crucified for this but...... you could say that, in the Clapton examples, the supporting cast is as good or better than the frontman. Take away the greats around Clapton (be it John Mayall, Cream, Derek and the Dominos, etc.) and the rest of his career (and style) is woefully lacking. Prince may have been a showman but HE was the show (and star). I agree with others though, Prince spent so much time building his own myth and image that any skill he has gets overshadowed.

Gotta go with you on this one. And don't forget Delaney and Bonnie.

Eric hasn't done anything the least bit interesting in 30 years. 461 Ocean Blvd was good, maybe parts of Slowhand didn't suck the life from my soul, but after that, blah.

But god bless him for some of his early work, especially the Beano album and the Dominos stuff.

As far as the OT, Prince, I've heard/seen him tear up the guitar with no special direction in the playing, just going fast nowhere. Hell, I can do that. Talent on the guitar is when you can take a solo into the song someplace new, and then bring it back into the song.

Before I get beat up, I admit, I'm not a fan of TAFKAP, and to give him some props, people I know who've worked with him say he's nothing like his image, actually a nice guy.
 
Maybe Prince isn't recognized because he's sui generis.

it has much more to do with his shameless self promotion as a big head havin,ruffled shirt wearin,' John Waters mustache rippin' off' Little Richard wannabe for decades prior to displaying any real chops on guitar..he's an above average player...big deal
 
Yes Eric played the solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" as well as "Something".

It is pretty easy to tell the difference between Eric's playing and Freddy King's playing. Just as it is easy to tell the difference between Stevie Ray Vaughn's playing and Albert King's playing. Everyone is influenced by those that came before them. But it is clear that Clapton took his influences and made his own style. Listen to "Crossroads" and tell me that is note for note Freddie King. Sorry it is not. I don't think alot of Clapton's solo material holds up to his Cream or Derek And The Dominoes stuff, but hell, that is quite a high bar he set.

I really liked "Journeyman". And some of those albums like "461 Ocean Blvd." had moments. But the earlier ones were definitely scag-driven.

However I firmly believe there are several bars directly from King solos that turned up on many Clapton songs. It wasn't a full-on ripoff because Clapton loudly praised King every chance he got. But he's like Chet Baker to Miles Davis compared with King.

Janis Joplin copped her "Aw, honey.." thing from Garnett Mimms. And Van Morrison has adopted so many influences just from Bert Berns he's a walking bag of verbal tics that seem to pop up at precisely the right time. Everybody cops bits of business. Except James Brown, of course.
 
Vivid

it has much more to do with his shameless self promotion as a big head havin,ruffled shirt wearin,' John Waters mustache rippin' off' Little Richard wannabe for decades prior to displaying any real chops on guitar..he's an above average player...big deal

Vivid description. How would you describe Bowie? I know it'll be great! (My next one is going to be Tony Orlando,)
 
Prince is a showman

he walks up to the edge of the stage and falls backward... how much you wanna bet the guy who caught him was an employee of the purple one :yes: Yeah he plays a nice guitar but you wouldn't see a real RnR guitar player do something staged like that,I mean he's on stage with Lynne,Petty,Harrison jr, and whomever but Prince has got to show them up? Pleasee :boring:
 
It's all good.......fake it!

Yes, whenever you hint at comparing guitarists, who's the best, who copied who, who is who's "daddy", who is just image and no real talent....?...you're bound to get a lot of opinions. I have my own, and opinions are like, well, you know, we all have them. Being a scrappy keyboardist, myself, I've always had respect for great guitarists, old and new. I'm not a big Prince fan. I don't even own any CD's from him, or TAFKAP, or whatever symbol he goes by now, and I will probably never get the urge to catch up with all of his back-catalog.......BUT, a number of years back, I was lucky enough to still be awake during an painfully bad episode of SNL, and I caught Prince and his band doing a song called "Black Sweat"....? I thought the stage was going to catch fire! He sizzled, the band sizzled....very tight....total pros. He added tasty stinging leads during brief breaks in the vocals, performed a razor sharp solo in that "flashy as hell" style of his, and then completed the song with another solo that about brought the roof down. He left his last wailing note sustain as he set down his gutiar and strutted off the stage like it was nuthin......jeeez. All flash and image aside, and I wince at a lot of that kinda stuff, too, it was one of the best performances I've ever seen on that show, I had to give it to him, no denying it. He's got chops, he doesn't always show it, but like Zappa, he can drop your jaw when he wants to. That "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" video is proof of that. Yes the great E.C. did the original with the Beatles, and it's a classic, for sure. I think Prince was tasteful in his version, putting his mark on it without ripping it up. I doubt that he had a "I'll do it better than E.C." approach. He was sharing the stage with some pretty stout talent, and George's son, he knew to "dial it back" a notch or 2, and it worked out quite well....that's my take on it, your opinion may differ. Does he deserve to be up there with the greats? Gawd, that is a tough call......He IS good when he wants to be, much better than average IMHO, but one of the greats? I think he deserves a mention, esp. since many other inspired players are often overlooked on most "Who's The Best?" lists. When ever I see Edward Van Halen in the Top 10 of somebodys list, and no mention at all of Eric Johnson, for example, I can never take it too seriously, anyway. Sure, it's all opinions, and I LOVE Eddie, but put him on stage with a real player, and well, he shows his limitations very quickly, and he rarely puts himself in that position....he's smart. I didn't mean to step on any toes, and I'm sure there are real guitarists here who will disagree with me, but I was really trying to be objective here....really! :thmbsp:
 
it has much more to do with his shameless self promotion as a big head havin,ruffled shirt wearin,' John Waters mustache rippin' off' Little Richard wannabe for decades prior to displaying any real chops on guitar..he's an above average player...big deal

People eat up that shameless self promotion. Some would just call it 'successful self promotion'. Nothing different than what many more mainstream classic rock rock stars did and do.

Anyway, he showed guitar chops early on...just listen to the end of the song Purple Rain. Dude can play. He might not be the best that ever was, but it's pretty impressive that he can play that well, given that he's known for probably 10 other things before you even get to "guitar player"
 
I wish you'd tell me how. I've been listening to them both for 45 years - nearly 50 for King since he did this stuff first - and I'll be damned if I know.

Really? So when you heard Badge, or Sunshine Of Your Love, or White Room, you thought they were new Freddie King recordings? Please.
 
Really? So when you heard Badge, or Sunshine Of Your Love, or White Room, you thought they were new Freddie King recordings? Please.

You're right. When I hear "Sunshine" I think of "Blue Moon", not Freddie King. Seriously, I'm really surprised you don't hear the similarity.

Before we get in deeper let's agree this is a friendly debate. This isn't flaming or threadcrapping, OK?
 
You're right. When I hear "Sunshine" I think of "Blue Moon", not Freddie King. Seriously, I'm really surprised you don't hear the similarity.

Before we get in deeper let's agree this is a friendly debate. This isn't flaming or threadcrapping, OK?

Sure, no anger here. I like talking guitarists.
As for the solo on Sunshine, he purposely plays a bit of Blue Moon at the beginning. He has talked about that in interviews. Some British humor I guess.
 
Sure, no anger here. I like talking guitarists.
As for the solo on Sunshine, he purposely plays a bit of Blue Moon at the beginning. He has talked about that in interviews. Some British humor I guess.

I'm still whirling like a dervish that you can't see Freddie King in Clapton's music. He's copped stuff note-for-note and to his credit admitted it. This doesn't mean he hasn't developed, but his early stuff was straight-ahead King.
 
Vivid description. How would you describe Bowie? I know it'll be great! (My next one is going to be Tony Orlando,)

:thmbsp: :banana:

It is show business after all. I've found that there are bands whose music I like to listen to on my stereo and really enjoy, and then there are others who I like to see put on a show.

Can't forget David Byrne in this latter group, too. Or the Who (back when they were good to see live).
 
I'm still whirling like a dervish that you can't see Freddie King in Clapton's music. He's copped stuff note-for-note and to his credit admitted it. This doesn't mean he hasn't developed, but his early stuff was straight-ahead King.

Well of course if you are talking about his early stuff. That's how everyone did it at the beginning. They copped licks from their favorite players. Stevie Ray Vaughn was obviously influenced by Albert King. But so what? He took it way past his influences.
Every guitar player alive plays that one lick by Chuck Berry (guitar players know which one). Even Prince.:yes: Are we all just Chuck Berry clones as well?
 
I think I've seen Prince 4 times now. The first was as a guest in one of those suites with couches and wet bars at Target Center in Minneapolis. I wasn't even watching the show much although I enjoyed Larry Graham's opening act.

I stepped out to catch his solo on "Diamonds and Pearls" and became mesmerized. He may be the best showman I've seen including that Jagger guy, and his sidemen (and women) are carefully chosen.

Best guitarist ever? Not even close but he does have the rare ability to become one with the music he's playing - "be the guitar" as Carl from Caddyshack would say.

I've seen him 3 times since, and he's not disappointed me yet. Always a great show, he plays his ass off and loves doing it.
 
I saw Prince at the Santa Monica Civic when his "Controversy" album came out. He put on one of the tightest, rockinest, funkiest shows I have ever seen. You should have heard what the girls in the audience were saying about him. Pretty crazy.
I always thought he blew Michael Jackson away musically and visually. He put out some great music for a few years until he got a little bit full of himself and slid downhill musically speaking.
 
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