Groovy record question.

[resound]

Sorry. couldnt help the title.

Pretty much a 50's record thing.

Arent Deep Groove & Micro groove mutually exclusive of each other if not by just the definitions of the words deep and micro?

I have always assumed that the Deep goove came before the microgroove and sometimes this was a clue as to its vintage.

I see literally dozens of records for sale described as "Deep Groove" when the pictures clearly show the label printing "Micro groove"

To other than microbes, Is there such a thing as a Deep Micro groove or are these sellers :

- Oblivious and using catch words they know nothing about.
- Zoned out and not paying attention to their own text.
- Know more about this stuff than me so I should shut up.
- Trying to pull someone in with hopes of an original pressing

:scratch2:


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[beatcomber]

"Deep groove" refers to an indented ring molded into the plastic under the label, common on 1950s records. 1950s Blue Note jazz records with the deep groove are particularly sought after by collectors, but not necessarily because they sound better than later pressings.

Here's an example:

 

[KeninDC]

In general, Blue Note called its mono pressings "Microgroove" pressings.

Stereo pressings substitued the word "STEREO" on the label where "Microgroove" was.

The "Deep Groove" is the tell-tale, circular groove/trench in the label that is 1.5 inches from the center of the LP.

Ken

 

[cactuscowboy]

"Microgroove" refers to the actual grooves in the vinyl. The term was used to differentiate LPs and 45s from "standard groove" 78s.

"Deepgroove" refers to the label area of the LP. If you look at certain LPs from the 50s & 60s, you'll notice a deep impression or groove in the label area created when the record was pressed. A later reissue/repressing of the same record might lack that "deepgroove", having been pressed on more modern equipment. So, the deepgroove is a way of identifying an early or original pressing, which often has a higher resale value.

 

[Doug G.]

You guys are smart!

Here I thought I was going to have to swoop in here and correct a bunch of posts about how some microgrooves are deeper than others and all that BS but I am evidently a redundant poster.

\:^)

Doug

 

[vinyl1]

"Deep groove" refers to an indented ring molded into the plastic under the label, common on 1950s records. 1950s Blue Note jazz records with the deep groove are particularly sought after by collectors, but not necessarily because they sound better than later pressings.

Having done a few listening comparisons of various pressings of the same record, I can report that they do. The same thing with the 'ear' - Blue Notes that have it sound much better than the later pressings without. Apparently, you really do get what you pay for, and the Blue Note collectors pretty much have it figured out.

 

[resound]

See, Im not too old.

Makes more sense now.

What got me was that yesterday I was just meandering thru ebay and I saw another of these listings. That record caught my eye because it was over $2k with 24 bids.

Yes, a Hank Mobley Lexington Ave. Blue Note in Exc/Exc cond. from Germany.

Thats when I decided something was screwy. Nobody would spring like that for a lame description.

Who springs like that for a record anyway WOW.

I need to find me some of them at an estate sale.


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[KeninDC]

Having done a few listening comparisons of various pressings of the same record, I can report that they do.

I tend to agree. That being said, I have trouble passing up any 70s reissue since they are still all-analog goodness.

 

[beatcomber]

Having done a few listening comparisons of various pressings of the same record, I can report that they do. The same thing with the 'ear' - Blue Notes that have it sound much better than the later pressings without. Apparently, you really do get what you pay for, and the Blue Note collectors pretty much have it figured out.

The only deep groove Blue Note I own is a mono copy of Cannonball Adderley's "Something Else." Unfortunately it's too beat up to judge the fidelity.

If it says "RVG" or "VANGELDER" in the deadwax, you're pretty much assured of a good sounding Blue Note. Even the mid '70s blue label reissues (non-RVG masters) sound great.