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Guidance to build setup from scratch. Can you recommend what to get?

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Hi all, been collecting lp's a couple years and now planning finally get gears to actually listen them.

Budget
*Prefer to spend #1: 5k€ / 5,8k$
*Prefer to spend #2 : 10k€ / 11,6k$
*Willing to spend 15k€ / 17,4k$ tops if this brings meaningful component upgrades

How the gear will be used
In my living room which is (3,5m x 8m) 28m² / 301 ft²
Dedicated stereo setup for vinyl.
My TV is also going to be between speakers, I watch quite a lot movies and series and would like to enjoy good soundscape + some gaming with ps5.
Speakers will be around 2,5m - 3m / 8,2ft - 9,8ft away from my couch with a wall behind them and about same distance from speaker to another. It is possbile to shift furnitures in my living room if its essential to adjust the listening and speaker distances, but would prefer this setup that is due to wall socket placements (so there is no need to do cable and wirings across the room).
Streaming could be option too for some spotify listening, but not a must have thing atm. Separate streamer could be added later.

Anything else?
My understanding is that I will need to purchase the following:
*speakers, passive preferred + quality so they can manage on them own without a separate subwoofer.
*turntable, maybe mc preferred if they have a significant improvement in sound quality over mm? Integrated dustcover or separately sold cover would be crucial - I don't want turntable sitting without cover and collect dust.
*amplifier.
*pre-amplifier (possibly already integrated with the above) is it need to be with dac??? I would like to have option to digitalize some of my records to pc because they are rare and not to be found in digital form, if I have understand correct it needs a dac to be able do it? I think separate devices needed to do the ripping on pc I will buy later.
*wires / cables to connect devices together

Maybe later add on to existing core system
*Maybe a separate streamer later to add to my system if these properties do not include on the amp/ preamp (for spotify etc use).
*Maybe a separate subwoofer to get now or upgrade later to my system if it gives significant improvement.

Thanks beforehand if there is people who would like to help and offer their knowledge to build up setup for me.
 
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There used to be lots of good hi-fi shops around who would advise you and demonstrate a range of gear. These days there aren't as many, but it's still the option I would recommend if you have a good shop within a practical travelling distance.
 
There used to be lots of good hi-fi shops around who would advise you and demonstrate a range of gear. These days there aren't as many, but it's still the option I would recommend if you have a good shop within a practical travelling distance.
There is several. Just would like some opinions before from people with real life experience, before going in.

Been talking with AI and asking about different devices and their pairing success. Now have come across setting that would be something like this.

For speakers 2 options (higher-end)
*Bowers & Wilkins 702 S3
*Kef R11 Meta
1 option (budged version)
*Bowers & Wilkins 603 S3

Amplifier 3 options
*Audiolab 9000A
*Yamaha R-N1000A
*Musical Fidelity B1xi

Those amps should drive speakers on their own and would be able to deal with mm-turntable with integrated pre-amps. It gets more complicated if looking separate unit for preamp even it would increase the sound quality, but basicly that would be almost necessary if going after mc-turntable. And because of this dilemma I have not been able to compare and decide what turntable would fit to my setup.
 
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Hi all, been collecting lp's a couple years and now planning finally get gears to actually listen them.

Budget
*Prefer to spend #1: 5k€ / 5,8k$
*Prefer to spend #2 : 10k€ / 11,6k$
*Willing to spend 15k€ / 17,4k$ tops if this brings meaningful component upgrades

How the gear will be used
In my living room which is (3,5m x 8m) 28m² / 301 ft²
Dedicated stereo setup for vinyl.
My TV is also going to be between speakers, I watch quite a lot movies and series and would like to enjoy good soundscape + some gaming with ps5.
Speakers will be around 2,5m - 3m / 8,2ft - 9,8ft away from my couch with a wall behind them and about same distance from speaker to another. It is possbile to shift furnitures in my living room if its essential to adjust the listening and speaker distances, but would prefer this setup that is due to wall socket placements (so there is no need to do cable and wirings across the room).
Streaming could be option too for some spotify listening, but not a must have thing atm. Separate streamer could be added later.

Anything else?
My understanding is that I will need to purchase the following:
*speakers, passive preferred + quality so they can manage on them own without a separate subwoofer.
*turntable, maybe mc preferred if they have a significant improvement in sound quality over mm? Integrated dustcover or separately sold cover would be crucial - I don't want turntable sitting without cover and collect dust.
*amplifier.
*pre-amplifier (possibly already integrated with the above) is it need to be with dac??? I would like to have option to digitalize some of my records to pc because they are rare and not to be found in digital form, if I have understand correct it needs a dac to be able do it? I think separate devices needed to do the ripping on pc I will buy later.
*wires / cables to connect devices together

Maybe later add on to existing core system
*Maybe a separate streamer later to add to my system if these properties do not include on the amp/ preamp (for spotify etc use).
*Maybe a separate subwoofer to get now or upgrade later to my system if it gives significant improvement.

Thanks beforehand if there is people who would like to help and offer their knowledge to build up setup for me.
Where are you located? Obviously Europe.
 
Have you watched any of John Darko's reviews? He live in Germany and Portugal and reviews a lot of European gear. Pretty sure you will find a number of KEF and Audiolab reviews on his channel.

 
Yes, you'll need some speakers, but there are so many to choose from it seems pointless for me to recommend something.
Amplifiers could be a separate preamp and power amp combination, or an integrated amplifier, which as pre/power combined into one box. A preamp or integrated amp may or not have an onboard phonostage. If there is an onboard phonostage it might be mm- only or mm/mc. Without an onboard phonostage you'll have to buy a separate outboard phonostage. I'd say an mc cartridge is generally superior to an mm, but the prices are generally higher too. Actually, with all this stuff the prices go from very reasonable to "how much???!!!!"

No disrespect to other forum members, but you could end up with so many recommendations for various bits of gear that you'll be more confused than ever, hence my recommendation to visit a good shop.
 
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If someone was interested what I end up with heres what my local dealer put together.

  • B&W 702 S3 Signature, datuk, pair
  • Pro-Ject X2 turntable, walnut + Quintet Black MC S
  • Marantz PM-12 Special Edition, black
  • Marantz CD50n CD Streamer silver-gold
  • Supra XL Annorum Bi-Wire k 2x3m
  • Oehlbach Black XXL RCA 2x1m,
  • Supra MD08DC16-EU/SP
  • Supra Lorad SPC 2.5mm2
  • Supra LORAD SPC 2.5 mm2
  • Supra LORAD SPC 2.5 mm2
  • Oehlbach 8K HDMI Black Magic MK2
 
If someone was interested what I end up with heres what my local dealer put together.

  • B&W 702 S3 Signature, datuk, pair
  • Pro-Ject X2 turntable, walnut + Quintet Black MC S
  • Marantz PM-12 Special Edition, black
  • Marantz CD50n CD Streamer silver-gold
  • Supra XL Annorum Bi-Wire k 2x3m
  • Oehlbach Black XXL RCA 2x1m,
  • Supra MD08DC16-EU/SP
  • Supra Lorad SPC 2.5mm2
  • Supra LORAD SPC 2.5 mm2
  • Supra LORAD SPC 2.5 mm2
  • Oehlbach 8K HDMI Black Magic MK2
Did you have a demonstration in the shop? If so, what did you think?
 
1/2 the monies goes to the speakers, 1/4 to the electronics and 1/4 to the source. But that doesn't include the extra DAC. Wait a little while an then spend another 1/4 on the DAC. Make sure power rating of the speakers and the electronics are the same. 50 watt speakers 50 watt per channel amp, though many will disagree. But its a good rule for over 70 years and good way to start. I would want speakers with over 94 db efficiency. I always a firm and well detailed speakers that reach down to 32 hz. Maybe NAD electronics, Klipsch speakers and NAD TT or a new Technics SL 50. Alot of integrated amps have built in DAC's. I prefer separates.
 
Update time. Retailer called and asked if I want to come over and listen some demo additions... Now they got me to add these also to my package :D

  • Focal Arche (demo)
  • Focal Utopia
  • Siltech Classic Legend 380 USB HighEnd kabel 1m
  • Supra MD01-16 DC
  • Supra Lorad SPC 2.5mm2 16A 2m
  • Supra Lorad SPC 2.5mm2 10A 1m
 
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