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H. H. Scott Score!

nelsress

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Great finds have been few and far between in recent years but not completely non-existant. Today I picked up an H. H. Scott 240 mono amplifier along with its companion, an H. H. Scott 331C mono tuner preamp.

As the pics will indicate, they're not mint but they're beautiful just the same, to me at least. I think they may clean up pretty nicely though with patience, elbow grease and any helpful insight/advice from you experienced refurbishers.

I'm familiar with the 240 but had never seen a 331C before and have not had a whole lot of luck finding out much about it online thusfar. It looks like I've got a little project on my hands which will yield a way cool looking mono setup to complement my Fisher mono setup.
 

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As you probably know, PLEASE Variac them before power up. You got a great set there, I've always liked the sound of Scott tube amps.
 
Thanks Dave, it is a great little combo. Always good advice to take your time and bring these vintage items up slowly on a variac, thanks. I probably go overboard as I bring them up until I see the faintest tube glow (typically around 40-50% and then 10% every couple hours after that and I only go to 95% since todays line voltage is 10 volts or so higher than it was in the mid to late 50's, just to be on the safe side. I don't think I'll be firing it up on the variac for a little while though. Aside from some preliminary cleaning there's the small issue of a fuse. I don't know if you can see or not but the fuse holder/cap is missing on the amp so I've got to find one of those as well as determine what size/style fuse to use. I also figured I'd test all the tubes before I power it up slowly. Both EL-34's are Amperex (one a bugle boy) and all the other tubes are telefunkens, except for the RCA 5U4 rectifier tube.
 
I've always gone 10% every 10 minutes and then letting it go for a while once audio starts working.
 
That's better, you mean I don't have to make a day of bringing it up on a variac!! Great, thanks, I'll try that. Any idea if Scott used slo-blow or fast-blo fuses on the 240 and what amperage?
 
Well, others will probably disagree with me, but that's what my friend and I have done for years and we've never had a piece die while doing it. We also feel the caps carefully during startup for any excessive heat, and monitor current draw. Been fine so far...
 
Nice pieces !! Hope they clean up well and that you can enjoy them.

I agree with David BTW. When I variac up pieces, I do it over a relatively short period of time. I don't let them sit and 'bake' for hours on end at lower voltage steps like some folks.
 
Not trying to hi-jack the thread here......but regarding the idea between the long bake-time on a variac vs short......I'm curious if there's any factual data to support the process one way or the other? My 'understanding' was that the slower the ramp-up time on the variac, the more effective the 're-forming' process was with the electrolytic caps. But, if that's not true, or if running up at a faster pace has other advantages, I'd like to know. Anyway......nice score on the Scott stuff. I'm becoming more and more of a Scott fan. I just re-built two 299Ds and have an LK-72 scheduled for the bench soon. While originally the 299s didn't turn out as 'stellar' as I'd hoped, I soon found that some defective 'new' 6GH8s in the phase-splitter were the source of the problem in one of the amps. It now sounds fantastic, and hopefully the same will be true for the second amp!! Scott made some nice stuff!! Good luck with them! Tom D.
 
Caution,
I detect remnant's of rodent generated hydrogen compound with a very high ammonia content.
....mouse pee....
I recommend starting with sanitizing wipes.

Now let us return to the back patting ! Nice pick up !.. :banana:
 
Wharfcreek, I'd like to know also if one method or another has benefits or disadvantages to the reforming of the caps in vintage gear, good question.
Thanks everyone for the feedback, I think they'll clean up pretty well though I'm not sure how to get the white "stuff" off the brown crinkle paint. I'd also be interested in hearing what you guys use to clean the parts of the chassis that have lettering. Some of the lettering is already wearing off and I haven't touched it yet.
As for the "rodent generated hydrogen compound with a very high ammonia content", I fisrt took the shop vac to the top of the 240 but wipes are next!! LOL SJ.
 
Thanks buglegirl, interesting thread, I'd never heard of sticking vintage gear in the oven to dry out caps before! I'm going to do a good, superficial cleaning and then try that this weekend. I ordered a Sam's photofact sheet for both pieces and they shipped already so it won't be long before I know what fuse I need to get.
Anybody have the cap part of the fuse holder they want to get rid of?
 
Nelsress, just a quick question: The 331C shows on the front face plate as being a 'stereo tuner'. Also, I note what looks like 'pairs' of outputs. While I'm confused about the fact that it may have a 'pre-amp' function contained within that is 'mono' only, still seems to me that if this IS a stereo tuner, then perhaps you might consider questing for another 240......and a nice 'pre-amp' of sorts. Don't you just love it when other people spend YOUR money!!!.........lol. Anyway......I've heard that the real issue is that a tube rectifier doesn't start conducting until the filaments get hot....and that doesn't happen until around 40 or 50 volts....depending on the unit. I ALWAYS pull the output tubes when doing this!! I bring up the unit on Power Supply Only.....and check B+ voltage along the way. Not all units have a tube rectifier.....so they are putting out B+ as soon as they are turned on. My understanding is that re-forming of the caps.....'IF' it can be done, will start as soon as the B+ hits them......and takes about 2 to 3 hours or more at any given voltage. So, at 40 VAC on your variac, and w/ a tube rectifier....you may start heating up the rectifier filament and start passing B+...which may only be about 150 volts at that point....but that's still enough to start re-forming a bad cap......or, start warming up a shorted cap...which is why you need to pay close attention to the temp of the power transformer AND the caps in the circuit while you do this process. If EITHER start to get more than just a 'warm' ..... then you need to shut down. Another good idea before you do anything is to pull the rectifier and all the other tubes and just turn the amp on and check the transformer voltages first. If you have the proper secondary voltages from the PT....including the filament voltages AND secondary voltage...then just let it run 'idle' for an hour or so and make sure it's not heating up. If not.....THEN start with the variac stuff. Rectifier first. Then once you get to about 90 vac, shut it down and install the other tubes. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A LOAD ON THE UNIT.....either dummy loads or test speakers. I start with dummy load and shorted RCA plugs on the inputs. I run at 90 volts on the dummy loads and check for any temp increase on the Output transformers AND the dummy loads. If the amp is self-oscillating you may start building heat in the dummy loads. If no indication of a problem, I un-ground the input and run it for another hour or so that way. And, if no problem, I switch to test speakers. If they run quietly, I apply a 'source'. I have some inexpensive signal generators I bought off ebay for about $20 each....but they'll do 10 volts RMS from about 20 to 20......maybe a bit less.......but still...........perfect for my purposes. I just run 0.1 volt into the amp at 1Khz........sweep around the frequency range a bit.....and if all sounds good........I put the dummy load back on the amp and leave it oscillating at 1K for another hour or so. Then, I kill the signal and finish off by bringing the amp up to line level AC voltage. I too have never suffered a catastrophic failure....but I HAVE found plenty of amps that needed further repair in one area or another. This may be a complicated process......but it works for me. And......I trust it! For what it's worth!!...... Tom D.
 
Ah yes..........I remember that!! Kinda 'dates' me, eh? Like this gear, it's hell gettin' old! TSD
 
Sams folder is dated 1957, so FM multiplex was five years in the future... but it DOES have a stereo phono preamp.

If the fuseholder is the same as the tuner, I should have a cap...
 
Some stuff even that far back had an FM MPX output jack for future compatibility. It should also be set up for FM/AM simulcast stereo, which won't be of much use these days.
 
Wharfcreek, the pairs don't seem to match, for instance the phono pairs are marked "MAG 1" and "MAG 2" and the one pair is marked "TAPE OUTPUT" and the one next to it just "OUTPUT" so I'm still not sure about the 331C. I was told that it's a mono piece but Tom has the Sams in front of him and he said it has a stereo phono pre section? Curious.
If you have a cap that would be great Tom. I'll go out to the shop and check to see if it's the same as the tuner and let you know. Thanks a lot.
 
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