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Yamaha1 said:
The Yamaha NS-1000 does everything with accuracy and ultimately, truth prevails over hype and vodoo tech.
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Thanks for all of the great responses everyone! But, I have to agree most with you Yamaha1. Truth was what I wanted for this system. The Gallo's work quite well where they're at now but for what my ears wanted to hear the Yammie's fit the bill.....R1
 
I remember my EQ days. . . I'd work and work all night until I got it right only to turn it on the next morning and want to puke it sounded so bad. . .
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That's why you tune things without being "chemically enhanced" :D :D

Saves you from going "WTF, I don't remember setting this!" :)
 
gyusher said:
I remember my EQ days. . . I'd work and work all night until I got it right only to turn it on the next morning and want to puke it sounded so bad. . .
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jeffn said:
I think peoples ears are the ultimate equaliser. I've swapped speakers and been underwhelmed by muffled bass or prominent midrange........ then you use them for a while and the ears adjust till they sound good. Swap back to the originals and it all starts over again.........
I think the ears adjust to allow best the enjoyment of music.......
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Yup, and in my view, the only rational approach is to measure. Listening is notoriouly an inherently faulty methodology.

I know, that seems ridiculous, since listening is the bottom line objective of what we do. But, fact is, unless we measure, we don't know, and that's the primary source of the chaos we all experience here.

By definition, a truly accurate system will reproduce every genre to greatest satisfaction, which is what Roadie1 is telling us here.... :yes:
 
gyusher said:
I remember my EQ days. . . I'd work and work all night until I got it right only to turn it on the next morning and want to puke it sounded so bad. . .

So many things can and do affect SQ. It also never fails that whenever you want to show off for a friend it just doesn't sound as good as it does after they leave. . .

I find it better to start gradually and work into what you want to listen to unless it is running in background mode. . . Personally I love to just sit and listen. . .
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More true words were never spoken!.R1
 
Zilch said:
Yup, and in my view, the only rational approach is to measure. Listening is a notoriouly and inherently faulty methodology. I know, that seems ridiculous, since listening is the bottom line objective of what we do. But, fact is, unless we measure, we don't know, and that's the source of the chaos we all experience here. By definition, a truly accurate system will reproduce every genre with greatest satisfaction.... :yes:
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Speaking of objectifying the subjective....what if you had a speaker that measured as well as you'd like, but you hated the sound? :scratch2:
 
Squidward said:
Speaking of objectifying the subjective....what if you had a speaker that measured as well as you'd like, but you hated the sound? :scratch2:
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1) I'd figure out what was wrong with it and fix it, or,

2) I'd get my hearing checked. :p:

More typically, people believe stuff sounds good that really doesn't, and the statistics are quite poor with respect to listeners' ability to discern the difference:

http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/AudioScience.pdf
 
2DualsNotEnough said:
The right corresponding components make a big difference in the sound of speakers,for me.Ill try a new set of speakers on my cheap bedroom rig,and then try them on other systems in my house,and each time the speakers will sound much different.I know room acoustics play a big part,too,but in my experience,the right combination of components is the biggest factor in bringing out the best of any speaker.My Large Advents sound great with my CR-1020 receiver,and just OK with my bigger system,which is near-field listening.Only one set of speakers Ive owned sound consistently good on every system Ive put together:EPI 100's.
Jimmy
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I'll concur about the EPI 100's. I've used them with all manner of amps, receivers, tube, you name it. They always sound good, though once in awhile I've found I had overwhelming amounts of bass and had to play with placement to reduce it a bit.

The room can make a huge difference as we all know. I have a set of NS 1000's, 690's and now a set of the really little NS 1000MM's. The little guys sounded a bit bright at home, but with the wood panelling at the cottage they were just right. The regular 1000's are lovely, need the right amp to make them happy has been my experience.
 
fiddlefye said:
The regular 1000's are lovely, need the right amp to make them happy has been my experience.
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Very true, they are typical garbage in/garbage out speakers so need the proper source and amp, very important for them or you could end up hating them as early days of NS-1000 shows.
 
Bet you can't guess what really sounds good to me.:scratch2:NS-1000s,1000Ms & 690s all at the same time..:thmbsp:
 
Zilch said:
1) I'd figure out what was wrong with it and fix it, or,

2) I'd get my hearing checked. :p:

More typically, people believe stuff sounds good that really doesn't, and the statistics are quite poor with respect to listeners' ability to discern the difference:
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http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/AudioScience.pdf
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Now there is about as truthful a statement as can be made.

Put any 5 of us in a room full of great sounding speakers and it is likely none of us will agree on which sounds best.
It is the nature of this beast and as we all tend to learn, the most expensive is no necessarily the best sound to each of us.
I will go one step further here. Get your hearing checked is good but it might not be repairable. Taylor the sound to your liking in your room and with your equipment and sit down and enjoy. Find what works for you and forget about what we think.

Gary
 
gamalot said:
Now there is about as truthful a statement as can be made.

Put any 5 of us in a room full of great sounding speakers and it is likely none of us will agree on which sounds best.
It is the nature of this beast and as we all tend to learn, the most expensive is no necessarily the best sound to each of us.
I will go one step further here. Get your hearing checked is good but it might not be repairable. Taylor the sound to your liking in your room and with your equipment and sit down and enjoy. Find what works for you and forget about what we think.

Gary
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That about sums it up for me.....excellent post.


Bill
 
I enjoy listening too, and sometimes speakers grow on me, like a tumor.

Say you go from horns to planars - it takes a while to actually sort out what's better or worse imo.

So before I come to conclusions on speakers I know "should" be good I run them for a couple days or so unless I immediately see something I know I don't like, and sometimes even then. At the very least I've learned something.

Pete
 
Even if we all shared the same source material, gear, speakers and rooms, the results would be varied because we all hear things differently from one another. It's why there are so many different schools of amplification and speaker design theory.
As the car salesman saying goes, "There's an ass for every seat."
 
Zilch said:
1) I'd figure out what was wrong with it and fix it, or,
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If it measured good and sounded bad, would your change effect the measurement?

2) I'd get my hearing checked. :p:

More typically, people believe stuff sounds good that really doesn't, and the statistics are quite poor with respect to listeners' ability to discern the difference:

http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/AudioScience.pdf
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If people are happy with how something sounds, but it doesn't measure well, wouldn't that be an artifact of this being a subjective hobby? If a speaker "measures better" but doesn't sound as pleasing as a less accurate speaker to a listener, who's to say the fault is with the listener?
 
Squidward said:
If it measured good and sounded bad, would your change effect the measurement?



If people are happy with how something sounds, but it doesn't measure well, wouldn't that be an artifact of this being a subjective hobby? If a speaker "measures better" but doesn't sound as pleasing as a less accurate speaker to a listener, who's to say the fault is with the listener?
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But who cares! If the speakers in my home sound great to me and not to you then you can go home!

I never fault a guy on his system as long as he thinks it sounds good.

I have heard systems that cost many thousands more then my own and can't wait to get home to listen to some good tunes!

Gary
 
But who cares! If the speakers in my home sound great to me and not to you then you can go home!

I never fault a guy on his system as long as he thinks it sounds good.

I have heard systems that cost many thousands more then my own and can't wait to get home to listen to some good tunes!
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Gary you are spot on. :banana:

Very well said. :yes:


Best,

Paul :thmbsp:
 
There is a flip side to this and Zilch is spot on with it.
If you are going to build a speaker system then at least go with what is known to be tried and true.

My speakers work for me and I really don't care what others think but they are pretty close to what is considered good quality sound. Very picky audiophiles might not be impressed but I think most of us would be very satisfied.

Think I would agree to a duel with my weapons as long as the bullets ain't deadly!

Gary
 
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