Hard to swallow, sorta

[dnewma04]

BTW, I am slightly exaggerating Zilch's love for JBL for comic effect. No real offense was meant.

 

[gamalot]

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

And thats directed ONLY at me!

I am loving the discussion and still enjoying my music and I sure hope you guys are too!

Thank you all for remaining civil and I hope that continues.

Gary

 

[dnewma04]

If anyone is interested in the subject of perception, Dr. Earl Geddes has published some very interesting papers on the subject. Perceived SQ isn't nearly as different between individuals as we might think...

 

[ozmoid]

Exactly. That's not about the speakers, rather, the listeners. We only pretend it's about speakers.

While I value others opinions, at the end of my day....I always find myself alone with my own...Hence the importance of self fulfillment when it comes to this subject.

Bill

Just because my speakers sound good to me does not mean they are the end all, just that I am satisfied with how they sound.

If there was a "right answer" and this hobby was strictly objective, ...THEN we'd have nothing to talk about

...without understanding human hearing/perception, it's impossible to predict if a speaker that measures flat will sound good. Even if the suggestion is that people don't understand what "good" is.

That about sums it up for me.

 

[JimJ[VT]]

at the end of my day....I always find myself alone with my own...

Your own...what? :lmao:

I don't want to know where that sentence is going...

 

[dnewma04]

Jim, the rest of us were able to ignore that and pretend we didn't read it...but oooooh noooo...you just had to bring it back up.

Bad mental images....

 

[cableguy]

Your own...what? :lmao:

I don't want to know where that sentence is going...

well.....
I was half assed waiting for that one, self fulfillment can take many forms....
(in this case it means my opinion and hearing regarding music and speakers)


Bill

 

[Zilch]

Bose Wave Radio

Even the Bose example has merit. They could give a flying **** about flat response, they claim that they make their speakers produce a sound that is appealing to the most people. Based on their sales, can you argue that they don't have the right formula?

Heh, heh:

... the 1m plot shows a surprisingly decent +/- 3dB response from 350Hz to 18KHz... that is better than many vintage systems. I do find that characteristic Bose one note bass pretty annoying though.

 

[Zilch]

If anyone is interested in the subject of perception, Dr. Earl Geddes has published some very interesting papers on the subject. Perceived SQ isn't nearly as different between individuals as we might think...

No one could reasonably argue that Toole, Geddes, and Bose are in conspiracy here, but there is certainly commonality in their independent findings.... :yes:

Revel: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_2/feature-interview-kevin-voecks-4-2004.html

 

[Zilch]

So are there any speakers out there that meet the paramaters that are described above without having to take a second morgtage out on my house? :scratch2:

I currently have AR3, AR4X, Dynaco A-25, Canton Karat 60, Infinity RS3000, KLH-17, and some EPI-100W that need woofers and caps.

There are many, actually, some better, some worse, and you've already found several.

Look, for example, at how the AR4x tweeters I recently sent to Nickroboton performed here:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58297&postcount=1

Does that tell the entire story? Well, no, not hardly, but compare to the HPM 100 spec:

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1271397&postcount=46

Which one do YOU think has the better potential for pleasurable listening, at least insofar as on-axis frequency response is concerned?

 

[alexkerhead]

Spoken like a true acolyte! Let me know when you've found the perfect speaker! :lmao:

In all seriousness tho, it's one thing to say "my goal is to make a speaker with ruler flat frequency response", it's another to say "this stack of data means speaker A sounds better than speaker B" when A and B are both very good speakers with their own followings. If there was a "right answer" and this hobby was strictly objective, contrary to what Zilch believes, THEN we'd have nothing to talk about (or, at the very least, that pesky "taste" component could be taken out of the equasion).

Hats off to Zilch and Powerman for helping Alex get a better stereo system. :thmbsp:

So true!

It is also fact human hearing has peaks and valleys, hence the fact different people like different speakers!

For this reason, I am sing L-Pads in my speaker project.

After I get the flattest response possible with my budget, i will adjust until I get the sound I like when I close my eyes.

 

[dnewma04]

Brilliant! The Machina Dynamica company needs to produce the Eyes Wide Shut tweak. You call them and they tell you to close your eyes for 75.00.