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Heathkit receiver

Related to this, there is a subtle appearance difference in the earlier and later -29 series. The area behind the slide controls and the inside edge of the chrome around the outside, in the earlier units, is chrome, just like the rest of the faceplate trim. In the later units, Heathkit painted those areas flat black. This is readily apparent in real life but may not be so easy to see in photographs although I can see, in Mr. Hardy's photo of his AR-19 and AR-29, they both appear to have shiny chrome behind the sliders.

I have some of each of earlier and later units and it applies to the AR-29, AA-29, and AJ-29 (no sliders on the tuner, of course).

I don't know exactly when this change was made but 1972 units seem to still have all chrome and 1976 units have the flat black.

I wonder if there is some subtle difference in the faceplate of the AR-19 and AR-1302 (other than the model number, of course).

Doug
 
These are from Winter 1971 Heathkit catalog.
AR-15:
AR-15.jpg

Wow - the factory wired version of the AR-15 was $540 plus $25 extra for the wood cabinet in 1971 dollars? That's a huge financial commitment for a piece of stereo gear. All this great Heathkit talk makes me want to go get my AR-15W out of the box and hook it up for a while. Great old thread :thmbsp:
 
Doug, it's not so clear in the picture I posted, but from the other pictures I have, it's obvious that my AR-1302 did have the additional black trim paint, unlike Hardy's pictures. Unfortunately, it's still hard to pin a date down on my AR-1302... if I had to guess, I'd say we got it in 1974 or 1975.

Also FWIW I pulled down pics on a few AR-19s, 29s, and 1302s when originally trying to find "innards pics" to match my photo. All of them have the additional black on their faceplate. Although their provenance is unknown (just eBay auctions etc), I guess it at least supports the idea that the additional black was not a short-time fluke, and may have been available for quite a while.

If it helps anyone: A way to find pics like this is to first do a Google search on something specific (like Heathkit AR-1302), then click on the Google "Images" results for the search.

If anyone wants to, I guess they could see if the pics in the catalog changed over time. Although it would be problematical - Doug's already pointed out how they once used an incorrect old photo, and we all know catalogs (and websites) often don't reflect fine points of model revisions. The catalog pics we've seen in this thread supports it being available from the introduction of each line (right?). It makes me wonder what's going on, because I think receivers with the additional black look a lot cooler than MHardy's pics without it. It almost makes me wonder if there might have been some slightly off-spec pieces used at some point, or maybe a temporary trial of slightly different looks. But who knows. Anything could have happened, shrug.

Jones, my dad bought the Heathkit for me. I can recall that at the time, stereos were like beautiful women... you could lust all you wanted, but the really primo ones were way beyond your reach price-wise. (Laugh.) Oddly, now a lot of things have changed. I have a lot more money, and audio is largely a lot cheaper. The advent of the much better speaker magnets has made small, cheap ones really quite good compared to speakers from decades ago. Same thing for receivers. Yes, a ton of money WILL get you something better... but not so much better, like in the old days, because the new electronics and materials make relative good ones quite cheap. That's how it seems to me, anyway.

Where was I going with this? Oh, right: I never thought about it at the time because my dad got me the AR-1302 kit, but I suppose it was (and probably still is!) a pretty good receiver.

I've always wondered if the Heathkit people really made much savings by having folks assemble their kits, or if it's really a bit of a gimmick to get folks to think they're getting a great bargain making their own - thus appealing to two things (thriftiness and tinkering). Jones, that AR-15 is $350 as a kit, and $540 assembled, which is a 54% markup (540/350)... I can't believe that even skilled labor on an assembly line couldn't do what took us a few nights, in a dozen minutes (i..e, for a few dollars in a factory). If true, then, the "$540" assembled price existed mainly to inspire penny pinchers to buy kits, although I'm sure they did in fact get at least some orders from folks with more money than time (and that was fine with them, too).

Mike aka Heath​
 
I guess I don't really have a preference either way for the all-chrome front trim or the blackened areas. I just noticed the difference from obtaining several of the -29 pieces. They both look fine to me.

Perhaps the Heath engineers decided to go for a more totally blacked out look later on. The slots for the sliders are much less apparent with the flat black paint in there. And the blacked out look was a feature for these pieces with the dial face being completely black with the receiver/tuner off. Of course, the amplifiers always had that area black, even while on, with a pilot lamp below.

Oh, and Heath never made the separates for the AR-19 or AR-1302. Just the receiver.

Doug
 
I've always wondered if the Heathkit people really made much savings by having folks assemble their kits, or if it's really a bit of a gimmick to get folks to think they're getting a great bargain making their own - thus appealing to two things (thriftiness and tinkering). Jones, that AR-15 is $350 as a kit, and $540 assembled, which is a 54% markup (540/350)... I can't believe that even skilled labor on an assembly line couldn't do what took us a few nights, in a dozen minutes (i..e, for a few dollars in a factory). If true, then, the "$540" assembled price existed mainly to inspire penny pinchers to buy kits, although I'm sure they did in fact get at least some orders from folks with more money than time (and that was fine with them, too).

I think you may be correct regarding the factory wired vs. kit price on some of the simpler receivers, amps and other gear but the AR-15 was a bit of an exception in that it was an extremely difficult receiver to build. Consumers Union called it one of the best receivers they had tested to date back in '68 or so, but they recommended spending the extra money for the factory wired version because it took their skilled technician something like 6 nights to build it.

I've actually serviced a few of them and they are jam-packed with boards and a zillion connections. It's hard to imagine someone building it from a kit, although the assembly / service manual (which is as thick as a local phone book) is one of the best I've run across.

There's at least one bench tech on this site who remembers people bringing kit versions of the AR15 receiver in to the repair shop after the assembly went wrong or the assembler simply gave up. It's an awesome receiver still to this day when it's up and running right - great tuner and a very warm and full bodied sound from the amp (gets along very well with vintage speakers like the AR2ax).

That's a great pic of you back in '74 btw - the Zep poster looks familiar, and so does that other thing that looks like an ad for a Quadrophonic setup on the other wall. Very cool of your Dad to buy you a Heathkit receiver too, I would've loved to build something like that back then :thmbsp:
 
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Yup, I remember looking at an AR-15 back in the seventies when an older friend of mine had one apart to repair it. The repair was due to the typical user hooking too many speakers, in parallel, to the outputs at one time and ruining the output amplifiers. It is difficult to convince somebody NOT to do that when they try it and it works - at first.

I was totally impressed that Heathkit offered it as a kit and equally impressed that anyone could actually build one.

I'm sure field assembly problems with the AR-15 is what lead to the much more modular AR-29 which was the next receiver Heathkit released in 1970. Much easier for the typical kit builder to assemble.

They're all great, though, and I wish I had an AR-15. An incredible design for 1967.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the days when we would have gotten our as*es kicked (figuratively, of course :D) for listening to some of the stuff we do today like The Carpenters (because of quad availability). :D

Doug
 
My own experience

CU's assemblers worked at night? 6 nights? I did it in 4 nights, long ones at that, 45 hours total. It wasn't all that hard; my previous experience with kits were with an EICO HF-12 and their FM tuner, and a Scottkit LK-72, both point-to-point wiring. I thought they were harder to do; the PCBs make the AR-15 lots easier. The increased time was due to increased numbers of parts. Also I bought the Heath add-on later to allow scope precision adjustment of stereo separation -- a really tight fit inside that wood case. Yes, tedious if one doesn't like soldering etc, but I was anticipating its replacement of my LK-72, which certainly I should have kept (now that I see prices for used units).

I did have two problems, I believe, due to Heath's lack of quality inspection of transistors in their kit packs. One was a bad 2N3859A? metal can in the phono preamp, which was shorted, grossly overheated, and caused a huge charred spot on the board (good thing it did not burn). I bought a new board and transferred components from the bunt-out one, including a new good transistor, to it. The other was in the mono-stereo/squelch, direct coupled DC circuitry which I never got to work right. I retained the AR-15 and will resurrect it and get really serious about fixing that last problem. The unit still looks like new, though I did replace the plastic face-plate once. Eventually I gave it to my father, and now I have it back; he said 15 years ago that it stopped "working."

Warm-sounding amp, the opposite of my subsequent Yamaha CR-2020.

I think you may be correct regarding the factory wired vs. kit price on some of the simpler receivers, amps and other gear but the AR-15 was a bit of an exception in that it was an extremely difficult receiver to build. Consumers Union called it one of the best receivers they had tested to date back in '68 or so, but they recommended spending the extra money for the factory wired version because it took their skilled technician something like 6 nights to build it.

I've actually serviced a few of them and they are jam-packed with boards and a zillion connections. It's hard to imagine someone building it from a kit, although the assembly / service manual (which is as thick as a local phone book) is one of the best I've run across.

There's at least one bench tech on this site who remembers people bringing kit versions of the AR15 receiver in to the repair shop after the assembly went wrong or the assembler simply gave up. It's an awesome receiver still to this day when it's up and running right - great tuner and a very warm and full bodied sound from the amp (gets along very well with vintage speakers like the AR2ax).

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I just picked up my AR-15 from my repair guy today (I'm not a DIY'er). Holy crap does it sound good! I snagged it for $5 at an estate sale last weekend. I haven't been able to find a tube amp yet, but the AR-15 is the best sounding amp I've found thus far. No cabinet, though (my wife will never let me put in the dining room or study). I guess I'll use it in my taping setup on the 3rd floor. It actually came with the assembly/service book. Anyhow, just wanted to share my excitement.
 
I have an AR-15 with a cabinet and I love it. I also have a parts chassis I bought at a Hamfest for $5.00. 'Not working - U fix' on the price label.
 
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