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Help needed with a Pickering V15 cartridge

tiga

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I have a Pickering v15 ACE/3 cartridge that I'd like to try using but I need a stylus. The little bit of research I did has left me confused (which isn't hard to do). Some of the styluses have mounted brushes and some don't. Some have heavy tracking weights and some don't. I've also read that some Stanton styluses are compatible.

Yikes - any one have an idea of a good stylus for this model? I was planning on mounting it to a Sony turntable that I have that is sans cartridge. Can I expect good results with this? Thanks everyone!

Tiga
 
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Have a look at KAB’s website here http://www.kabusa.com/ . He shows which styli will fit which models of the Pickering and Stanton range – go to the Pickering replacement stylus page, and then go to the Cross Reference button at the top right hand corner of the web page. According to the KAB site, all the V15 styli will fit that body, so go for one with an elliptical stylus and a fairly low maximum tracking – 2g or less, if possible. While I don’t know much about the V15 series, I do know that it’s different to the XV-15 series, which were a later series (late-60’s), and the styli aren’t interchangeable. I think the V15 series originally came out in the early-mid 60’s.

According to my Stanfield replacement stylus catalogue, the V15/ACE3 had an elliptical stylus tracking at 3-7g, so it’s probably better to get a stylus that fits one of the other V15 models if it’s for a hi-fi turntable – some of them tracked at 0.75-1.5g, while others tracked at 0.75-3g, so they’d probably be OK at 2g. Here is the list of V15 stylus models in the catalogue, with the stylus model names, followed by the cartridge model names, conical (C) or elliptical (E) stylus shape, and then the tracking forces. I've highlighted the best ones with a *.

DAC2 V15AC2 C 3-7.0g
DAM2 V15AM2 C 0.75-3.0g
DAME2 V15AME2 E 0.75-1.5g *
DAT2 V15AT2 C 2-5.0g
DATE2 V15ARE2 E 2-5.0g
DAC3 V15AC3 C 3-7.0g
DACE3 V15ACE3 E 3-7.0g
DAM3 V15AM3 C 0.75-1.5g
DAME3 V15AME3 E 0.75-1.5g *
DAT3 V15AT3 C 2-5.0g
DATE3 V15ATE3 E 2-5.0g

The brushes aren’t mandatory – they can be taken off, if you don’t wish to use them. When they are in use, an extra 1 gram of tracking weight and anti-skating needs to be added to the weight that is applicable for the needle when the brush isn’t used. So if your needle comes with a brush, and the correct tracking weight without the brush is 1.5g, then 2.5g would be used with the brush – the needle will still have only 1.5g on it, and the other 1g is counter-acting the upward push of the brush.

Many of the Pickering and Stanton range are very similar – Walter Stanton started as an engineer at Pickering, and later ran both companies. They were at the same location, but were still run as separate companies, I believe. That’s why many of their styli can be used on either Pickering or Stanton cartridges, because they shared info, and their cartridge bodies were often the same, but branded either Pickering or Stanton. It looks as though the styli from the Stanton 500 series will fit your cartridge, so the stylus from a Stanton 500EE would probably also be a good choice, or from one of the Pickering models with elliptical styli tracking at low weights (eg V15 AME3) http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=PICKSV15AME3 .
 
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Thank you! Thank you! This is very helpful information. I've read that these old pickering cartridges can sound good with an upgraded stylus (elliptical with a lower tracking weight). Is that true?
 
I have a Pickering v15 ACE/3 cartridge that I'd like to try using but I need a stylus. The little bit of research I did has left me confused (which isn't hard to do). Some of the styluses have mounted brushes and some don't. Some have heavy tracking weights and some don't. I've also read that some Stanton styluses are compatible.

Yikes - any one have an idea of a good stylus for this model? I was planning on mounting it to a Sony turntable that I have that is sans cartridge. Can I expect good results with this? Thanks everyone!

Tiga

I have several NOS Pickering Stylus, LMK if you still need
 
Thank you! Thank you! This is very helpful information. I've read that these old pickering cartridges can sound good with an upgraded stylus (elliptical with a lower tracking weight). Is that true?

Well, that should be right - although I'm not familiar with the Pickering V15/Stanton 500, some people think it's good value. It should be down to the stylus - if you put a better stylus on it, it should sound better, so one of the Pickering styli with the lowest tracking force would be best. An elliptical would be better than a conical, and the smaller the footprint of the stylus, the better it is. You'd need to check the seller's website to find out (if it's mentioned), but a .0003 x .0007 inch stylus would be better than a .0004 x .0007 inch stylus. for instance.
 
OK, to toss a wrench in here, wouldn't you want to select the tracking force based on the tonearm mass? IE, less force/compliance for a higher mass arm ? Asking somewhat for my own benifit here as I'm considering upgrading the stylus on my Zero-100's V15.
 
OK, to toss a wrench in here, wouldn't you want to select the tracking force based on the tonearm mass? IE, less force/compliance for a higher mass arm ? Asking somewhat for my own benifit here as I'm considering upgrading the stylus on my Zero-100's V15.

No - you've got it the wrong way around - match a heavy tonearm with a low compliance cartridge with a heavier tracking weight, and a low compliance cartridge with a light tracking weight, with a light tonearm. For instance, with a medium to heavy weight s-shaped tonearm, the Denon DL-103 that tracks at 2.5g is a good match. For a light weight straight tonearm, a Denon DL-304 that tracks at 1.2g, or a Shure M97xE that tracks at 1.25g, is probably a nice match.

The cartridge he was asking about will probably be a better match to the Sony tonearm he's going to mount it on with a medium tracking weight stylus that tracks at 1.5-2g. The heavier tracking weight styli that track up to 7g were probably aimed more at state of the art:D tonearms from the 1960's (which are probably very heavy compared to a typical 70's s-shaped arm, such as that fitted to the Technics SL-1200), whereas Pickering upgraded the cartridge in later years to track at lighter weights, to suit more modern tonearms.
 
right, backwards, thats what I get for posting just after waking up from a nap. But either way, my point was mostly that the particular table he was using should probably play a role in dictating what stylus to use vs just using whatever one tracks the lightest. I didn't notice mention of what it was going to be fitted to.


Anyway, I suppose the arm on a Zero-100 would classify as high mass? Its got this sliding weight on it to set the VTF, and its on the cartridge end of things. Right now mine has a stylus that runs 3-7 grams, but I'd like to swap it for an elliptical in the 2-5 range. Any thoughts on if that would be a reasonable match, or should I go to an elliptical in the same 3-7 range ? I could probably lighten the arm significantly by removing the sliding weight and using the counterweight to set my tracking force.
 
Sorry – the only knowledge I have of Zero 100’s was from thinking what a good idea that pivoting arm was when I was a schoolboy just starting out in hi-fi, as I examined the models on sale at Australian electronics retailers in local electronics magazines! But certainly if it has a sliding weight at the front, then the mass of the tonearm can be varied, and lightened if you remove it. Others may be able to help on what is the best match for the arm – I’d really only be guessing.
 
I've just discovered in one of my old electronics magazines from the 70's, that the Garrard Zero 100 was sold here with the Pickering V15 AM3 cartridge. That is one that has a tracking force of 0.75-1.5g, so it may be worth getting a stylus with a lighter tracking force, if you have a V15. I'm not sure that the tonearm looks that heavy - while the add-on to make it pivoting may add a slight bit of weight, I'd still guess that many s-shaped tonearms weigh more. But I'm really only going by pictures, as I haven't seen one for years.
 
The TT I'll be using is a PS-454 - which is identical to a PS-LX2. Not sure if that changes anything.
 
The TT I'll be using is a PS-454 - which is identical to a PS-LX2. Not sure if that changes anything.

No, if it has the same straight tonearm as the PS-LX2, then the best stylus is one with a nice light tracking weight, as that's a fairly light tonearm. So one with a 0.75-1.5g tracking force would definitely be best.
 
I've just discovered in one of my old electronics magazines from the 70's, that the Garrard Zero 100 was sold here with the Pickering V15 AM3 cartridge. That is one that has a tracking force of 0.75-1.5g, so it may be worth getting a stylus with a lighter tracking force, if you have a V15. I'm not sure that the tonearm looks that heavy - while the add-on to make it pivoting may add a slight bit of weight, I'd still guess that many s-shaped tonearms weigh more. But I'm really only going by pictures, as I haven't seen one for years.

Interesting. Mine is fitted with an AC3, which is the 3-7g range. Looks like its an original install, but who knows. I'll have to pick up another stylus just for yucks. I've been wanting to try out something that was a little more compliant. The only reason I was thinking the arm has a lot of mass is just because of where the VTF adjustment is. Instead of being out behind the pivot with the counterweight, its between the headshell and the pivot. The weight on the back is set to zero, then you slide this weight out towards the headshell to set the VTF. It does make sense that the correct cart tracks lighter though since the adjustment only goes up to 3g.
 
I have a Sony PS-LX3 coming in the mail hopefully tomorrow . It has the Ultra Low Mass or ULM tonearm which is paired with a Pickering V15-AM3 cartridge .
My question is : are these older carts just as good as some of the modern day cartridges such as the Sure m97xe ? Of course I will make sure everything on the table is set up properly and give it a listen first , but just curious .
 
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I have a Pickering V15-AM3 cartridge mounted to a ULM or Ultra Low Mass tonearm Sony PS-LX3 turntable . Do you think the Pickering styli has a high enough compliance to match up with such a low mass tonearm ?
 
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I have a Pickering V15-AM3 cartridge mounted to a ULM or Ultra Low Mass tonearm Sony PS-LX3 turntable . Do you think the Pickering styli has a high enough compliance to match up with such a low mass tonearm ?

I believe the AM3 is high compliance and should work fine, but what do you know about the diamond's condition? Finding OEM replacement styli will be difficult and probably expensive. I can't comment on modern aftermarket replacements because I have no experience with them.

A Shure M97xE works well on light arms.
 
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