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"High Frequency" Hearing Loss

Yeah, I turned 70 in Feb. Hard to pick out quiet voices in a group, and can't hear the shimmery, tinkley bits in Grateful Dead's "Unbroken Chain" anymore (on Mars Hotel). ;(

Got a pair of Jabra Enhance Pro hearing aids via Costco in Feb - I pretty much only wear them to church or if we go out to eat with friends ...
tho I am trying to make a point to wear them when I chill with music.
5 year warrantee. Right one died in 4 months so I got a replacement free ...
 
Appreciate the replies and although it sucks that we're getting old and going deaf, I don't appear to be alone.

I'll be seeing my niece this afternoon and looking forward to telling her I actually couldn't hear her when she asked if I was having trouble. She had a very concerned look when she asked and I'm glad she cares.

As far as the tinnitus, I spent the majority of my career sitting behind a desk getting fat but in a quiet environment. I did however spend too much time listening to live music which I'd guess is the cause of ringing and whistling. I can best describe it as hearing cicadas 24/7 year round.
 
I listen to music for hours on end every day to drown out my tinnitus, in a quiet space the constant ringing drives me nuts ! I spent 20 years in the USAF, mostly within a block of the runway with F-15s and F-16s blasting off -the Bio-Enviromental guys measured the sound level inside our shop during takeoff at 120+db.
I used to have trouble getting to sleep, but now I stuff my ears with pieces of cotton balls before bed and it gets rid of most of the tinnitus (and my wife's snoring).
 
Appreciate the replies and although it sucks that we're getting old and going deaf, I don't appear to be alone.

I'll be seeing my niece this afternoon and looking forward to telling her I actually couldn't hear her when she asked if I was having trouble. She had a very concerned look when she asked and I'm glad she cares.

As far as the tinnitus, I spent the majority of my career sitting behind a desk getting fat but in a quiet environment. I did however spend too much time listening to live music which I'd guess is the cause of ringing and whistling. I can best describe it as hearing cicadas 24/7 year round.
You sound exactly like me when I was your age. Get a hearing test and get your hearing aids.
Once you have them, put them on the minute you get up and don’t take them off till you are ready to go to bed.
It will take about 2-3 weeks for you to adjust to everything, but you will.
I can’t listen to my system now unless I have my hearing aids in.
With that said, I can still spot a quality speaker system.
I wish you well.
 
It happens.

I am about 52 years old. Between racing cars, classicaly trained musician, gun fire, aviation my hearing is not what it once was. That said I pass my anaual hearing exams with what is considered normal and perfect hearing.

Sadly my medical insurance/providers have changed standards so I can not access and pull up my last hearing test or I would post it hear. My low freq. and mid freq. sensitivity is not not what it once was but is still better than most people half my age. high freq. range is more compromised than anything else. It ismore than 15,000hz but less than 20,000hz.

I pass my medical exam for a commercial 1st class medical every 6 months.


My ability to pick out and isolate sounds is great but I find that if there is water, fan, multiple people talking I have a hard time with human speech but not with pure tones, instrumental music, or mechanical sounds.

The thing that can not be underestimated is the ability for the brain to interpet and process what the ear is picking up and in an average run audiologist setting that is not really routinely tested for!

For intelligently understanding speech you need 300hz to about 4500hz for really fantastic audio experince 90hz to 15,000hz is more than enough to enjoy every form of music yet to be recorded. Clearly more is better for some but not needed to really get a lot of happiness! You could easily make due with 100hz to 12,000hz

If it matters age related degradation of hearing is usually reversed as you near death for some reason and no one knows why that is!


As a trumpet players one thing you notice a lot is that professional trumpet players as they age they tend to favor trumpets that are not that great as trumpets. Why? As hearing starts to fade from age andyears of training as a musician they want or need more feed back behind the bells. That means lighter leaky valce bodies and lighter trumpet bell. It happens almost like clock work precision as the hearing degrades they look for feedback anyone they can get it.
 
My wife is a farm girl and she has some hearing loss from growing up with tractors, combines and hunting with out the aid of hearing protections. My Dad is suffering hearing loss from 23 years inthe US Army combined with 10 years post Army retirment driving big rigs!

All you can do is protect what you have and appreciate what you have!
 
Maybe you just realized for the first time what a big mouth everyone has? About ten minutes before I sit down and listen to a record, I use one of these and instantly I can hear a pin drop! I got mine at CVS, with a store coupon it was $41.

 
Well I find that my ability to hear tones on the hearing test is fine. I think I recall it being called nerve deathness or something like that back in the 1990's. As a musician I can pick out individual instruments from a band no problem. I can diagnois a car or piece of machinery no problems at all and can hear and discern more than most people can.

On the other hand if 3 people are talking I have no problem hearing them talking but their words get garbled. If a fan or water faucet is running and some trys to talk to me again I can hear each source fine but the words become garbled.

So it is not a matter of having a hearing deficet where you need the sources to be louded what you need is a means to filter out background noise or chatter so that you can discern the human speech. It also helps when people look at you when speaking to you.

I pass my audiology exam every 6 months like clock work for my flight physical and the one my insurance does periodicaly on me.

Sensorineural hearing loss is permanent. Causes include aging and long-term exposure to loud noise.
Higher pitched tones may seem muffled. It may be hard to pick out words against background noise.
Treatments can improve hearing but not restore the loss. Treatments include hearing aids, cochlear implants and listening aids.
 
My low freq. and mid freq. sensitivity is not not what it once was but is still better than most people half my age. high freq. range is more compromised than anything else. It ismore than 15,000hz but less than 20,000hz.
Funny audiologists only test up to 8Khz.
 
Per Google, the average range for an adult woman's voice is 165–255 Hz, which is about an octave higher than the average range for a man's voice, which is 85–155 Hz.

So, your high frequency hearing loss (above 10K Hz for me at age 63) is a different issue. I too have trouble hearing people in a crowded room. Just part of getting older I think.
Maybe also not caring as much about "the content(s)" re: what folks gotta say as we get older ... it's kinda like deja vu again and again and again
 
Not being able to hear clearly in noisy rooms are a common complaint from those with hearing loss. If you start to experience it a trip an audiologist may be a good idea.
 
Funny audiologists only test up to 8Khz.
I know my audiologist tests up past that. Like I said they changed the software that the hospital system uses and now I can not see any lab results or test results before that change over. My Doctor can see them all if in the network and I could go to records and pay $12 for a hard copy but that is a waste of time. I know for a fact that my results went well past 8khz. On more than one instance online Ihave shared my lab's or other information minus my name, date of birth, SS# etc....

You can also test yourself with your phone or your PC and even trash pair of headphones. You can use a signal generator and your home stereo system. There are so many ways to do your own test.


My noise canceling ear buds likewise test your hearing from top to bottom of human range and a little beyound on their app if you want it. It then custom eq's the music so you can get more enjoyment out of it boosting the volume where it can to try and match reproduction to your hearing.

I can also tell you my 1st Class Flight Physical does tests I have never had any other Doctor or Optometrist perform. The eye exam is off the chart the audio exam is very average.


I can also say that my dad's audiologist and the VA also went way beyound 8khz.


That might well be the standard though I am not sure. You could listen to human speech and operate just fine as a human being with hearing up to 8khz and not miss much. Most of the audiblity of speech happens well bellow 8khz. A lot of 2way radio like CB and Commerical Business radio are 350hz to 3000khz and often they will narrow that down even more and even hit it with symetra(sp) type early broadcast asymetry phase rotation then downward expansion and compression which destroys sound quality from an audiophile musicality stand point but makes speech pop out nicely depending on how heavy handed your get. I have one system designed for use of Single Side Band aka SSB that narrows things down to about 800mhz-2000mhz converts the audio to rf for the clipping,compression, DSP and then converts back to audio before injection back into the radio that can break through a contest pile up's like mad. So strictly speeking you do not need a large bandwidth to carry speech data well for intelligibility. The data needs to be clear, concise, uninterupted and the brain has to process it well. In fact someones inner ear can be absolutely perfect and degradations in the brain will be the limiting factor for understanding words and the standard audiology test does not account for which thing is degrading ones hearing it is only measuring the total response or results fromt he test.

If we turn our attention away for a moment frm hearing to eye sight for instance the brains inpact of interpreting what we think we are seeing or not seeing is far better understood. For instance we know that peripheral vision declines with age. We also know that brain training to improve general cognitive function has the happy side affect of improving/restoring peripheal vision.

The way our hearing actualy works compared to how people think it works is not well understood by 99% of the population and doctors do not help because they are always dumbing things down for patients and marketers and public schools do not help either. Not that it matters much since once it is gone it seldom returns. Putting it down to just loud noises is an easy out because that is obvious and the most likely since so few wear hearing protection unless forced to by their work place. Given the insane degradation of systemic health across all systems in the body in the USA since about 1950 until currently though and the insane increase in metabolic and neuroligic dissease in the USA I think it is overly simplistic to put down hearing loss especialy as one ages to just over exposure to loud noises.

If you Google " Freq. range that carries the most speech intiligibility" you will get the follow:

2 kHz-4 kHz

More specifically, in the 2 kHz-4 kHz frequency range. We perceive the voice as natural and with the highest intelligibility when we are approximately 1 meter in front of the person talking.

So that begs the question why would someone that once had 20hz-20,000hz range have issues with speech inteliligibility if their current hearing is far better than this limited range? Either the data the ear is sending is not getting to the brain in a consistent and coherent manner aka nerve conduction issues or the brain is not processing the data properly!

Do note that I am talking about speech not musical apprecation that is another ball of wax. People that have a hard time understanding speech in a room full of people talking or other background noise often have ZERO problem listening to music and having a fantastic experince the two do not always walk the same path! That is why the "why" is important. If ones hearing is degraded across the board that is one thing but if it is just speech that is the problem and only when their is a noisy environment again the "why" matters!

Keep in mind that concusive head trama can affect hearing as well and is one of the possible causes on sensorineural hearing loss hearing loss! Antibiotics can permenetly damage hearing as can viruses! Yes 90% is attributed to over exposure to loud noises but that is not the only way damage occurs!
 
Audiologists are concerned with understanding speech which is why it is likely they stop at 8000hz as a standard. Very expensive hearing aids do not just amplify they also act as DSP gate keepers deciding what to keep and what to filter out and how to process what they produce for the individual client based on their unique situation!


Very basic and short video on speech as it relates to hearing.
 
From a Doctor on the web:
Tinnitus: Ringing in the ears or tinnitus is always present. It is an electrical or flow noise that occurs in the head. When we have eustachian tube problems or hearing loss, these sounds are often unmasked and become apparent. If a room is quiet enough, "most people will experience tinnitus". You should also consider having a hearing test to check for unrecognized hearing loss.

I had tinnitus, and after being careful for years to protect my hearing it slowly went away, but it made me more aware of the background noises in my head from blood flow and nerve impulses. So now in a quiet room if I am just relaxing in a recliner doing nothing I can hear a quiet background noise. If I am doing something in that same room, I do not notice it, until I stop and listen. I got so focused over the years on listening for my tinnitus to hear if it was decreasing or not, that I tuned into sounds that I normally tuned out!

And when listening to music a low volumes I can hear it, depending on the music. With some music I get engaged enough listening to the music that it disappears.
 
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Per Google, the average range for an adult woman's voice is 165–255 Hz, which is about an octave higher than the average range for a man's voice, which is 85–155 Hz.

So, your high frequency hearing loss (above 10K Hz for me at age 63) is a different issue. I too have trouble hearing people in a crowded room. Just part of getting older I think.
music and hearing chart.jpeg
 
Thank you!, I tested my hearing using an online tone generator and thought I could not hear above 10 kHz, but I can easily hear the highest note on my 88-key piano. So online tone was not accurate.
Sorry to disappoint you, but if you google "what is the frequency of the highest piano note" the AI response is 4,186 hz, and I couldn't find anything authoritative to contradict that (other than the chart above, which is questionable in other respects as well). I don't think you can conclude that you hear above 10kHz.
 
Thank you!, I tested my hearing using an online tone generator and thought I could not hear above 10 kHz, but I can easily hear the highest note on my 88-key piano. So online tone was not accurate.
If you look carefully, the piano fundamentals stop around 4,186 hz., lowest being 27.5 hz.

Note the line - "Standard 88 key Piano", See the blue lines?

The pic of the keys is NOT to scale!!!
My opinion is it shouldn't be shown. It causes confusion.

Harmonics go higher, of course.
 
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