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Hole in Getter Flash

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Recently picked up a pair of Raytheon/Baldwin 12AX7's which both have identical burn through holes in the getter flash.

What could have caused this?

Are the tubes still good or should I return them? Will listen to them first, but just because they sound okay doesn't necessarily mean they are.

Thanks.
 

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Wow. I've not seen that before. Whatever caused that had to get real hot. Do you have the means to test them? If so, test them before using them so they don't damage whatever it is they are going into. Otherwise send them back, plenty of 12AX7s to choose from.
 
Not necessarily a "burn" - just a thin spot in the flash. It's not always even, doesn't really matter. If they test good, sound good, they ARE good...
 
I can't quite tell from the photos, but is that hole right at the top of the spot where you see the filament glow?
Not necessarily bad. No flash would be different.
 
Very odd that you have two with identical anomalies. That fact alone would make me think it had something to do with how "those" tubes were manufactured. Try'em, I bet they sound fine.:music:
 
They should be fine. Those spots look nothing like loss of vacuum does (powdery white getter flash). Getter flash doesn't actually do anything in a tube except absorb stray gases (that is my current belief anyway).
 
Burned-up but not white getters can indicate that tubes might have problems, but that looks more like a cosmetic manufacturing issue.
 
maybe that spot is right above the support for the getter disc or something? Seems like some sort of manufacturing "feature". Perhaps whatever piece of equipment that was used to fire the getter wasn't quite operating properly, or the tubes were placed a bit off-center or something. As long as it works fine I wouldn't be concerned though.
 
Seen lots of that, probably happened during getter flashing. If they test and work properly I wouldn't give it another thought.
 
Ok, here goes, they're just fine and normal for what they came out of. Organ pulls frequently have this characteristic due to the fact that the tubes are operating in the horizontal position. Which direction does heat travel? lol Hence "the look". Appearance is deceiving, but people will be people. Test them if you can and give'em a listen. If the look bugs you, don't look (Ethel) whilst their making the music beautiful. Yes, I own a bunch of Eico and Allen's. lol
 
What could have caused this?

These Raytheons in my attached photo clearly show a bevy of Baldwin Beauties
sporting Nailer's so-called "identical burn through holes in the getter flashing".

gadget makes a pretty good observation sighting a possible "manufacturing feature".
(or cosmetic defect)

guitbanger tosses in the thermal card with horizontally mounted tubes and rising
heat. Except the possibility that heat dispersion or concentration might behave
differently inside of a vacuum environment.

They are both equally plausible scenarios and are probably close to the bull's eye.

However my thinking suggests that since the tube manufacturing process is not all
hand assembly work, an operator sitting at a machine that mounts the getter to
the element package, places the element package into a fixed jig on the machine,
then the getter with it's mounting stem is then mechanically lowered or hand
placed on top of the element package; next the operator engages a control that
welds the getter stem to the top of the element package, which is then disengaged
from the jig to be removed and passed along to the next stage. Most of us should
know that there's a floor machinist assigned to maintain and watch over this
manufacturing equipment, and one could surmise that sometimes the mechanic
could at times be unable to keep up with the work flow; thus allowing enough time
for adjustment controls to slip out of "True Alignment".

So! the flashing blotches might very well have been brought on by a mechanical
setup flaw that repeatedly tilted the getter causing similar type blotches until it
could be realigned and eventually stabilized?.

Tube manufacturing is a delicate mechanical process that needs plenty of TLC.
 

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It's not a manufacturing defect, lots of organ tubes (by different makers) have this look. Another contributing factor, (remember my heat travels up in my previous post?) is the fact that tube organs themselves usually get dusted, but not their tubes? The dust usually accumulates on these horizontally mounted tubes, furthering the heat buildup. I've dismantled no less than a dozen old organs with horizontally mounted tubes and made this observation. Tubes that had been replaced usually didn't have "the look" or at least as much of it. I base that upon the fact that on some of these organs, I was the one who serviced them and had a history with some as long as 25 yrs.
 
They test very strong (ebay sellers would claim NOS) and the look of the so-called "flashing blotches" (:thmbsp:) is no problem. Based on the info above I'll plug them in this week and hopefully they'll be phono stage quiet. Thanks one and all. :yes:
 
It's not a manufacturing defect

guitbanger,

Yah know! I'm still not convinced that the manufacturing processes or other unknown "as of yet" related factors
can absolutely be ruled out pertaining to the so-called flashing blotches.

I have personally seen and noted such flashing blotches over a long span of deticated and observant
years that may in certain ways be somewhat parallel to your 25 year tenure of mastering electronic
tube organ service maintenance.

Scientific research and discovery is a complex process, not just someones "what if, yah! I get it".
It requires an opened mind that's not tied down to ones own singular independent observation.

This process of scientific clarification of cause and effect is dependent on multiple independent observations
that achieve or result in the same outcomes, responses or reactions. hence achieving unequivocal plausibility.

My thankful lack of intuition tells me that the verdict is still out on this Raytheon Riddle.

I usualy wake up at 1:00AM EST to take my interferon injections

"Live organ Transplants"- movie sketch written by John Cleese & Graham Chapman
 
lol Thanks Zandru, I wouldn't consider myself an tube organ guru by any means. My knowing about them is a result of I'm the only guy around here that was willing to "take a look" by going to churches and trying to help without charging arms and legs! That "good will" has resulted in me being given organs and learning more. Got two Hammonds, a M3 and an L100 occupying my abode as well as a Leslie. I dabble with them. My expertise is actually vintage guitars and amps, with tube hi-fi not lagging far behind. If I have an expertise with organs at this point, it's the ability to tear one down to parade rest in the back of my pickup in a couple of hours, saving my back from the strain of wrestling them (by myself!) into my already crowded house!
 
If I have an expertise with organs at this point,
it's the ability to tear one down to parade rest in the back of my pickup

So! in the true sense of the matter, You are a specialized electronics scavenger and a one man wrecking crew to boot!.

This is nothing to fear or to be ashamed of. I myself am also guilty as charged. We just have to stay one step
ahead of the crazed vigilante mob of murderous organ enthuiastics and viciously deranged collectors armed with
torches and pitch forks that are on a vengeful quest to hunt us down and burn us at the stake.
Watch your back at all times and make sure that you keep your chainsaw gassed up at all times.

(I know your saying:"What! a chainsaw", in the right hands it will disembowel the prized contents from a large stereo
console with surgical precision in 60 seconds or less.)

You realize that I'm just kidding, "or am I".
 
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Zandru, I get enough of the torch and pitchfork crowd for what I do to Maggie consoles thank you. They follow me home but ma and pa says I cain't keep'em all!
 
Hey, new information here. I just noticed that characteristic in some preamp tubes. And these tubes have no issues at all.
 
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