I have a Stereo collection. I want to thin it down to just (4) receivers and one Amp. Here is a full
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Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
If one reads the thread, the new info came in yesterday, Aug 4, 2022 with the following info on the units listed in the OP. Here is that updated info.
In collection wants to recap Sansui G-22000
In collection Sansui 9090DB, was in better condition than the 9090
In collection, partial recap Pioneer SX-1250
In collection Marantz 2285B
In collection Sansui BA-2000 AMP
Added CA-2000 to go with the BA-5000 (as mentioned in post 19 but post one says it is a BA-2000 as listed above)
Sold Sansui G-8000
Sold Sansui 9090
Sold Kenwood Model Eleven II
Sold Realistic STA-2080
Sold Nad 2200 AMP
Sold DBX BX3 Large Amp with pre-amp
Looks like tjB is following most of the recommendations.
Thanks for the follow up post with where you are now. Can you clear up the amp you have?
In collection wants to recap Sansui G-22000
In collection Sansui 9090DB, was in better condition than the 9090
In collection, partial recap Pioneer SX-1250
In collection Marantz 2285B
In collection Sansui BA-2000 AMP
Added CA-2000 to go with the BA-5000 (as mentioned in post 19 but post one says it is a BA-2000 as listed above)
Sold Sansui G-8000
Sold Sansui 9090
Sold Kenwood Model Eleven II
Sold Realistic STA-2080
Sold Nad 2200 AMP
Sold DBX BX3 Large Amp with pre-amp
Looks like tjB is following most of the recommendations.
Thanks for the follow up post with where you are now. Can you clear up the amp you have?
Hard choices !
THEWEREWOLF
Well-Known Member
Only change I'd make is I'd keep the Sansui 9090 and let the Sansui 9090DB go instead unless it has a value to you beyond it just existing. The G 8000 is nice but it's more common than the 9090. I think that Sansui 9090 is the far more desirable option of the three. Your other choices seem rock solid.
twiiii
Lunatic Member
I would sell the entire collection and by some thing current that has MM/MC inputs, Blue tooth, USB and coax and optical inputs and maybe a HDMI connection too. That way you are good to go for 20 to 40 more years depending on whether its Yamaha, Denon, Marantz or you step up a couple of big steps to Mcintosh, Accuphase, or other European pieces or combos of Pieces. You Might really like buying some of NAD's M series units. As much as I liked Sansui when we sold them at the age and stage your units are in everything there needs to be restored. Sell them all and invest in something with a great reputation and longer warranty.
THEWEREWOLF
Well-Known Member
Yes you should sell everything but only if you just want to quit collecting vintage audio. Selling everything makes no sense if you enjoy vintage audio gear collecting. Collecting vintage audio gear is the same as collecting vintage anything take vintage car collecting as an example. If I had a vintage pristine Model T Ford in my vintage auto collection, I would hardly use it as my daily driver in life. I'd buy a modern car with solid build quality and upkeep history. My Model T would be something I fire up on that special Leisurely Sunday Drive in the country.
Likewise my vintage audio gear is fired up only when I want the FULL vintage audio going back in time experience. My vintage audio is my audiophile "Time Machine" when I crave a yesterday experience no modern audio gear can give me. When I need a daily driver to power my home theater and related modern day components I buy the best quality current generation gear I can afford. If my current generation audio gear breaks I'll repair it if feasible or replace it with new \ better if it's designed to be disposable. Collecting vintage gear is about enjoying the full real vintage audio experience. Collecting vintage equipment is NOT about recreating modern sound with vintage gear.
If you want
Then buy new because you are NOT a vintage audio collector anymore and there is NOTHING Wrong With That Choice if it is right for You! If your choice is to abandon vintage audio collecting in favor of building an epic current day audiophile experience then this human's advice is totally valid. You don't collect Model T Ford's because you want to race them against McLaren F1's.
Versus.... Hardly a fair fight and two different types of collector!
twiiii
Lunatic Member
I don't see the fascination with vintage audio having owned starting in 62 and auditioned and installed vintage audio starting in 68. Most of the time tube stuff could be restored by just changing tubes on site, but when it couldn't it was fairly easy to repair. SS made things more complicated and when IC's came along the world changed for sure. Especially when surfaced mounted instead of being the plug in type. Any way power supplies age and components drift and that means massive replacements and large costs if you want to return to the true capability of your old units. But some seem to think the compromised sound they listen to is what is best. That makes me scratch and shake my head that folks would accept that compromised sound as what the 70's and 80's components were all about.
Lp's can sound so much better today using modern pick-ups and todays great electronics with very good speakers. Sounds that are totally different from when the LP's were originally stamped. What you have to watch out for are these reissues where the new engineers and producers don't accept the fundamental sound that was captured on the LP's and want to go back to the original tapes that have been compromised by storage and age and try to over correct with the new reissues. Whether using analog or digital corrections all involve with reissues seem to go over board. DGG is trying to do it correctly and I appaud their efforts. So Does Acoustic Sounds and I think they do a fantastic job with their 180 and 200 gram LP reissues. I haven't bought a bad one yet. Where it seems I have had to return half of the DGG Lp's and wait for replacements.
I wonder what would happen if DGG still used the same methods as they are making LP's but insteaad of feeding a record cutting Neumann lathe they fed a Studer digital computer to make CD's from without any processing guaranteeing freedom from artifacts every one is a afraid of being added. They could also make SACD's for those who think they need more resolution that is not on the tapes to begin with. I know my on site recordings for many years and tube tape machines compromised the highs. Early SS were more capable as were the tape machines that followed using miniature nuvistor tubes. Sheffield used all tubes and went directly to the cutting lathe with a AG 440 Ampex as a back up. But if you listen to some of the CD's made from the analog tapes and compare then to the direct to disc cut LP's you can actually hear that the Lp's are better. At least they are to me.
Some might think I am contradicting myself and in some ways I seem to be. Its not so much the format being used to amplify the signal and used to make the recordings and finally make the type of discs we want to purchase. 5 inch or 12 inch. Its the dedication of those using the different equipments and the discipline they maintain through all the steps in making the final product we want to purchase. Thats why it was easy for me to sell off and give away all my tape machines . Same goes for all the tube electronics.
If I were a rich old codger I might have some tube stuff again for electronics to use with my old speakers to return to the time when MC 3500's and Concert Grands sounded so great together. But I would still be using the best modern cartridges, room voicing, and tube preamp I could find. Maybe a fully restored C-28. It was a mighty smooth sounding early SS pre-amp. But finding great SUT's for the Dynavector XX-2 MK II might be a real challenge.
PS. I really need to win a substantial lottery prize. But I am to cheap to buy a ticket.
Lp's can sound so much better today using modern pick-ups and todays great electronics with very good speakers. Sounds that are totally different from when the LP's were originally stamped. What you have to watch out for are these reissues where the new engineers and producers don't accept the fundamental sound that was captured on the LP's and want to go back to the original tapes that have been compromised by storage and age and try to over correct with the new reissues. Whether using analog or digital corrections all involve with reissues seem to go over board. DGG is trying to do it correctly and I appaud their efforts. So Does Acoustic Sounds and I think they do a fantastic job with their 180 and 200 gram LP reissues. I haven't bought a bad one yet. Where it seems I have had to return half of the DGG Lp's and wait for replacements.
I wonder what would happen if DGG still used the same methods as they are making LP's but insteaad of feeding a record cutting Neumann lathe they fed a Studer digital computer to make CD's from without any processing guaranteeing freedom from artifacts every one is a afraid of being added. They could also make SACD's for those who think they need more resolution that is not on the tapes to begin with. I know my on site recordings for many years and tube tape machines compromised the highs. Early SS were more capable as were the tape machines that followed using miniature nuvistor tubes. Sheffield used all tubes and went directly to the cutting lathe with a AG 440 Ampex as a back up. But if you listen to some of the CD's made from the analog tapes and compare then to the direct to disc cut LP's you can actually hear that the Lp's are better. At least they are to me.
Some might think I am contradicting myself and in some ways I seem to be. Its not so much the format being used to amplify the signal and used to make the recordings and finally make the type of discs we want to purchase. 5 inch or 12 inch. Its the dedication of those using the different equipments and the discipline they maintain through all the steps in making the final product we want to purchase. Thats why it was easy for me to sell off and give away all my tape machines . Same goes for all the tube electronics.
If I were a rich old codger I might have some tube stuff again for electronics to use with my old speakers to return to the time when MC 3500's and Concert Grands sounded so great together. But I would still be using the best modern cartridges, room voicing, and tube preamp I could find. Maybe a fully restored C-28. It was a mighty smooth sounding early SS pre-amp. But finding great SUT's for the Dynavector XX-2 MK II might be a real challenge.
PS. I really need to win a substantial lottery prize. But I am to cheap to buy a ticket.
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Bruno Primas
Super Member
Sell everything but what you really want and use the money for a complete restoration on it so you don't have to worry about fixing it in the future.
KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
I'd sell the Sansui 9090DB. Keep the 9090. Otherwise I agree.