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I have ordered a Pioneer PLX-1000 direct drive turntable.....

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Good on you! I think the true test is if someone directly compared the plx1000 with an ATLP1240 with an "audiophile" DD table. Namely, to see how the it stacks up against a known "super oem" table, and whether both are comparable to the quality of an audiophile-approved table. That ought to put many of the arguments and uncertainties to rest
 
I´m hoping that somebody can upload a test tone ( 3150Hz ) from this Pioneer. I have asked about this in several threads concerning this TT, but no luck sofar.
 
I'm looking forward to your thoughts on this . I would like to add a DD TT to my collection .
Liked the 1200 but refuse to pay the price for whats most likely been an abused DJ table
 
I have the Technics SL1200MKII (2007 model) for comparison, as well as a Technics SL-Q2 and a Sony PS-X7

OEM means "original equipment manufacturer", so the Pioneer is not an OEM product as it was built by Hanpin, and badged as a Pioneer product. It is however, built to Pioneer's specifications for Pioneer, so you could say that Hanpin was an OEM supplier to Pioneer.

The review will be done in 3 sections. First will be an evaluation of fit and finish, and how things work like queing, and the anti-skate. I have a blank test disc for evaluating AS performance. I will also make note on the tonearm pivots, and flatness of the platter.

In the second part of the review, I will install one of the cartridges (probably a Grado) to check for hum issues, then I will do an alignment of everything. I am not going to use the supplied alignment jig, but will put the table into a Baerwald (Lofgren A) alignment. I'm also pretty sure the stock mat will get chucked, (for sure the felt one), but we will see on that issue. If that happens, I will use one of my personally engineered mats (I had tooling made) and go on from there. This may be a sticky part of the review and I'm not sure if its the right thing to do, but then, non of my other DD tables have their original stock mats, either.

The third and last part will be just listening to records. I will play a few of my favorite ones and see if they produce the same emotions from the music.

Wayner
 
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apologies as I thought the PLX1000 was the HANPIN standard new-age connectivity with usb and built in crappy pre amp.

carry on.
 
grottyash said:
You already know the answer from the specifications.
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No, not really. It's possible for someone to make certain assumptions based on published specs but it's not possible to actually know anything. The only way to do that is to properly audition it yourself.

Of course, that means that WaynerN's conclusions won't mean anything to you either (unless they happen to confirm your prejudices). :)

John
 
boreas said:
No, not really. It's possible for someone to make certain assumptions based on published specs but it's not possible to actually know anything. The only way to do that is to properly audition it yourself.

Of course, that means that WaynerN's conclusions won't mean anything to you either (unless they happen to confirm your prejudices). :)

John
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Totally agree. Can't wait to read WaynerN's conclusion. Thanks in advance for your pending detailed analysis.

Also, what's wrong with the specs?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/DJ/Turntable/PLX-1000
 
The W&F is less than 0.1%, that means it can quite good.
I'm not sure anyone can hear a major difference between 70 and 78db s/n ratio. Both seem to be good numbers. I wonder what the s/n of some of the LPs that I listen to.

I guess I do not get hung up on numbers. If that was the case, my Dual 1019, which has poorer specs compared the Pioneer, should sound like crap. It doesn't, and there seems to be a large following for the Dual.
 
boreas said:
No, not really. It's possible for someone to make certain assumptions based on published specs but it's not possible to actually know anything. The only way to do that is to properly audition it yourself.
John
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That is not really correct is it. If you want to know how the specs are met you have to measure in the same way. Audition will not tell you much.
 
boreas said:
No, not really. It's possible for someone to make certain assumptions based on published specs but it's not possible to actually know anything. The only way to do that is to properly audition it yourself.

Of course, that means that WaynerN's conclusions won't mean anything to you either (unless they happen to confirm your prejudices). :)

John
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I don't have any prejudice towards this table. I stated from the first post that there is a firm line drawn in the sand, and if this table doesn't pass my expectations, it goes back.

I think I do have some credibility. I've been spinning vinyl for 50 years. I repair turntables, I've designed alignment tools and I am fussier then most (OCD).

I also have been in engineering for 40+ years. I've been in audio almost all of my life.

Wayner
 
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gusten said:
That is not really correct is it. If you want to know how the specs are met you have to measure in the same way. Audition will not tell you much.
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It's not a matter of "verifying specs" but of assessing the quality of the music you hear.

Look, the turntable might not be very good. I don't know and, more importantly, the people who keep trashing it don't know either. We'll shortly have the opportunity of learning the opinion of "one of us". How about everyone holding their fire until then?

John
 
WaynerN said:
I don't have any prejudice towards this table.
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I was referring to the several people here who, though they've never heard or perhaps even seen one, have already made up their minds that the table is junk and never tire of saying so.

John
 
I just quickly skimmed a few google searched reviews, and the verdict is mostly positive. Here's hoping to something worth keeping.
 
boreas said:
I was referring to the several people here who, though they've never heard or perhaps even seen one, have already made up their minds that the table is junk and never tire of saying so.

John
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this is absolutely true. some are compelled/content to have (and voice) their preconceived notions about a budget table (based on things like price, appearance, specifications they consider inferior...the list goes on and on) without ever EVER E V E R having owned or even listened to it.
 
Why are people so afraid of specs? They explain what you hear, that's all, and that's why they're so important, because they can also predict what you hear. You may still like what you hear, but it important to understand why, for instance, piano on a turntable sounds wavery, or why one turntable sounds exciting compared with another.
 
WaynerN said:
I think I do have some credibility. I've been spinning vinyl for 50 years. I repair turntables, I've designed alignment tools and I am fussier then most (OCD).

I also have been in engineering for 40+ years. I've been in audio almost all of my life.

Wayner
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Wayner you da man. I trust your highly highly qualified opinion. I can't wait until it gets here! :beatnik:
 
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