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I love big amplifiers

devoid

NA Volvos and Amplifiers
I love big amplifiers. Yup. I just had to share that. My modest Sansui 1000x bench receiver sounds like music but these few big amps I've been sorting through lately are so much nicer. Bass and headroom and unwavering dynamics and air... I just like a big amp. I think I'm going to pull that little Sansui out and putt a few hundred watts in it's place. Amp of the moment is a Yamaha PD2500. Played a M45, a Fidek FPA-4002. I do beg to argue the last is not a Pyle or Technical Pro.
 
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I do beg to argue the last is not a Pyle or Technical Pro.
Agreed, Pyle and Technical Pro while they represent some of the cheapest and worst sounding units that can be called an "amplifier", are still worlds above the quality of Fidek product.

Thankfully, most of the Yamaha fans here have no experience with Fidek product and therefore won't be appropriately offended by having their gear directly compared to some of the cheapest and most poorly engineered audio electronics on the planet.

Having some experience with Fidek amplifiers in the past, you couldn't pay me enough to connect one to anything i own except maybe the 300 yd target.

A friend bought some new a while back to run subs in a new PA, the budget was tight, and MCM was offering what seemed on paper like a good deal on them. We figured they'd just need to last about a year, then they could be replaced with genuine pro amplifiers, they never made their first gig.

Unstable design, some of the cheapest and lowest grade components on the planet. Driven to clipping they would become so unstable they'd actually emit a loud "squeal" tru their outputs. All said and done, i think he sold them for 100 each just to be rid of them.

Just my .02.................. maybe somebody else can find a diamond in this lump of coal.
 
Bigger is better for sure.I like it when you can feel the electrostatic charge in the air and the music is so loud it starts to give you tunnel vision and makes you unstable on your feet.Makes you have to think before you make a move.I imagine the DNA at the cellular level pulsating or maybe mutating to the sound waves.
Best I have is about 160~180 watts per channel and maxes out at 240w/ch or so.Of course I have no way of measuring it I'm just going on published specs but I also don't want to blow a set of speakers and find myself broke...again,over audio gear.
 
I have a QSC CX 1202V. It is rated at 700 wpc, 8ohm load. The other specs are really good, too. Me likey!
 
Actually I was praising the Fidek stuff I've got. They do deliver the power they're rated for and don't fall apart when pushed hard, like a good amp should do. Build quality is a little sub par. But it was easy for me to clean that up. I got all of them on deal so I don't mind. I suspect they tried to price their products competitively but without a market presence and bullshit specs they couldn't compete. A flash in the pan line up.
 
I like big amplifiers, even when they are not being pushed to feel-it-rattle-the-bones volumes. I like them for several reasons:

1. For the really big, well-designed beasts, no speakers need be feared. Good high-power amps are more likely to be high-current-capable, so they can handle the big Infinity speakers I like, without blowing up or taking out the EMITs.

2. Full-range sound with ample and tight bass. Smaller amps usually just can't put out enough energy to FULLY drive full-range speaker systems. Often, something is missing, and most often, it is the bass, because POWER is required to produce lower tones with most current technologies. Okay, with efficient enough speakers this isn't so much of a problem, but, for example, the sound of acoustic suspension speakers when driven properly (by a BIG, powerful amp with good damping and slew rate) is better, to my ears, than an efficient horn driven by a lesser-powered amp. You can get wonderful-sounding midrange with liquidy vocals from a small SET amp and efficient speakers, but only at the cost of a relatively wimpy bottom end and often a slightly thinner high end. (Of course, bi-amping with a sub might get around this problem, but most SET purists won't go down that road, in my experience.) With a BIG amp that is well-designed, you might lose a teensy bit of the warmth and smoothness of the midrange, but this is more than compensated for (IMO) by getting the rest of the sound spectrum filled in, for an OVERALL realism that can be even higher.

3. Dynamics. With all that headroom a big amp provides, even on peak transients like bass drum slams or fortissimo blasts from a full orchestra, you'll get the full whack without the amp breaking a sweat or distorting. That kind of effortless meeting of any dynamic demand the music asks for, really comes only with BIG, powerful amps. I don't like "kick-in-the-gut" music, but on occasion when the live music was that way, I don't mind the realism in my living room.

4. No discernible distortion, even on those occasions when you DO want to crank them up. Regular amps will start clipping and distorting audibly, if pushed too hard. They can make you worry and cause you to jump up and turn down the volume, before something decides to emit magic smoke. BIG amps never put you through that; they just send chills down your spine as that huge orchestra with those big tympanies, or Kodo drummers or whatever just keeps performing right there in front of you.

5, The sheer impressiveness of a big, bad-a$$ monster sitting there in your system, radiating heat and demanding attention and respect. There is something viscerally appealing about really heavy iron and lots of watts, like standing next to a huge waterfall or watching a volcano or being out in a major thunderstorm; power is cool! That little ozone odor that says "Danger - Serious Electricity is Dancing Here" appeals the way a high-compression engine in a high-performance car does. I can enjoy the sound of a little headphone amp putting notes in my head, but brutal iron is a different kind of appeal altogether. There is nothing quite the same as sheer brute power. Maybe it's a testosterone thing(?).

6. The flip side of no. 5 above is that the big amps are "polite" when they should be. When you play with one of these, and you listen at the same levels you would with other amps (generally) you'll get similar effects; perhaps a bit more smooth and effortless, but the differences are not so major... it is only when the music demands it; when there is a dynamic blast or you decide to crank it, that the differences REALLY emerge. A 500-watt amp when playing at a moderately quiet volume isn't all that much different from a 50 watt amp playing at the same levels; they won't sound too much different, except that one is barely awake, and the other may be breathing hard already. As soon as you make a little extra demand on the system, the difference will catch your attention. A bit like cruising at 40 MPH in a Ferrari vs doing the same speed in a Toyota. You won't feel too much difference, until you decide to pass that car in front of you. Then the difference will be more than obvious. It always brings a smile to my face when something that sounded good already, sounds just as good in demanding passages where I've heard lesser amps struggling.


All the above is a good part of why I'm bringing home an amp soon that puts out a conservatively-rated 500 WPC into 8 ohms/750 WPC into 4 ohms. (Yamaha 101M). Banks of 20 transistors per side blanketing the back of this oversized 135-pound beast, that still manages 10Hz-100kHz frequency range, 122 dB S/N ratio, and less than 0.002% distortion. Hooked up, it sounds as clear and realistic as (or maybe a bit more so than) just about any amp out there, including big ones from Accuphase, Marc Levinson, etc... What is there NOT to like about an amp like that?


I'll still be using a much smaller amp for headphone use by my computer, and I'll keep a smaller-powered amp for my office-room system, but for those "serious" dedicated listening sessions, where I want to play my best recordings and really hear them at their most realistic and involving best? Give me a BIG amp, any day! :yes:


P.S./DISCLAIMER -- The above comments refer to well-designed, well-made amps like the brands and models mentioned (and similar ones like Ampzilla, etc...), ONLY. I've heard very powerful but cheap and generic pro amps that I wouldn't want to listen to. :no: High rated output power alone is NOT SUFFICIENT to make a GOOD amp, but it might just be NECESSARY to make the BEST overall amp. The catch to this is that it is difficult to design an amp that is BOTH high-power AND good-sounding; it gets expensive. But when it is done and done right, nothing is better, IMO. No disrespect to those who prefer their low-powered SET amps; I appreciate their strengths, too... but overall I choose to walk the other path, because when done right, I find it satisfies my ears better. I notice what is missing from those low-power systems, just as much as I notice what is right about them, and the missing parts leave me feeling unsatisfied. Other people focus on their strengths, and find satisfaction enough in those. Neither way is wrong; it's just a matter of personal preference, the way one person likes blue and another likes red.
 
I'm a new big-amp convert. I was surprised to learn that a big amp would make even low level listening noticeably better. There are now dynamics at low volume that weren't there as obviously before I got a monster amp. And it only gets better the louder you go.

It's also nice to look at Craigslist or Barter Town here and not have to pass up a great deal on hard to drive speakers because you don't have the amp to drive them. I passed up a really good deal on Carver Amazing IIIs last year because nothing I had could open them up. I wish I'd bought them now and stored them. Regardless...won't have the problem anymore with 400wpc.

I have some nice 60, 80 and 100wpc amps that are very musical, and some really nice tube amps that have a naturalness and 'you are there' feel to the sound, but I'm a convert now to big solid state. Count me in.
 
Big amps store more energy on store so they tend to be faster with better rise time. As a result, they are sharper sounding and are less likely to sag which can be heard as compression.
 
On the better side of things...

Don't get me wrong. I'm not claiming those Fideks are the good stuff, cause they're not. Just decent. Good for subs and clean PA.

I've got a few big Rotels, a couple Yamahas, Crest, Ashly, Nikko and a Hafler. Oh and a big Carvin that's new to me but with a bank of shorted outputs. I use those when sonics are more important.

My speakers in this little rotation I'm up to are my highly modified Advents. They're a set of Prodigy Tower 2's with some Morel 8 inch woofer and replacement brand 1 inch dome tweeter using the stock crossover. I quite like them. I use them on my bench because they're pleasing, revealing, the Morel woofers can handle a snot lode of power (which the Advents couldn't) and have great deep clean bass. But they're just the sort of speaker that really opens up with a few hundred watts behind them.

I've got a US made Mackie M-1400 but it's traumatically fried on the inputs. Any suggestions for a driver circuit I can paste in there? It won't be a Mackie anymore but another decent amp to mess with.
 
I just peeked in the closet. The tag on the back says FET900-A. Searching the Carvin site again for the manuals that I know I downloaded already and misplaced somewhere. It's got 8 or 10 MOSFET's per channel. I had started another thread on it asking what would be a suitable replacement HERE. I would like to get this one going. It looks like another fun one.
 
My two favorite amps: McIntosh MC402 (400wpc) and Sonic Impact T-Amp (7wpc)

Gotta love T amps.
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Love big, low power amps too. (Firstwatt something {all look the same :D})
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Love (relatively) small, big poweramps too.
(like 5200Wpc @4ohm for the {Powersoft} K20 model...)
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many people are often surprised when they find how a big amp can even make for a better low listening experience (I was) I used to believe anything over a 100 watts was more for show unless you had some really hard to drive speaker - as usual I was wrong
 
Yup, I like big amp's too. I got into a Dynaco ST-400 at an early age, and just no way of going back. Not sayin' what I'm running now, but let's just say, it get's the job done.
 
I also love big amps, here's a picture of a really big and absolutely wonderful sounding amplifier from VSAC '08. I went back several times just to listen to this set-up!

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Best Regards,
TerryO
 
Gotta love T amps.
DSCF4111.jpg


Love big, low power amps too. (Firstwatt something {all look the same :D})
1205listen1.jpg


Love (relatively) small, big poweramps too.
(like 5200Wpc @4ohm for the {Powersoft} K20 model...)
powersoft_digam_serie_k.gr.jpg


5200 watts per channel?!? Is this a typo? I did not think it was possible to effectively output 12,000 watts from a 120 volt AC source, much less from an amplifier of that small physical size.
 
I love big amps....receivers too. I love my Kenwood KR9940 and My Pioneer SX1980. The power and the quality of sound is great.
 
5200 watts per channel?!? Is this a typo? I did not think it was possible to effectively output 12,000 watts from a 120 volt AC source, much less from an amplifier of that small physical size.
Nope.

Powersoft DIGAM K20
EIAJ Test (1KHz, 1% THD)
2 Ohm dual 9000 W
4 Ohm dual 5200 W
8 Ohm dual 2700 W
4 Ohm bridged 18000 W
8 Ohm bridged 10400 W
16 Ohm bridged 5400 W
Powersoft DIG(ital)AM(plifier) K series info
K20 info

I rented these amps (Powersoft Digam, the K series didn't exist yet then) often. Menacing beasts they are (espacially given their size). Excellent SQ, insane performance.
Powersoft, RAM & Labgruppen are my favourite PA brands for amps. By back loves Powersoft the most. :D
 
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