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If you don't believe speakers can image wider than the speakers themselves...

audiomagnate

audiomagnate

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...you HAVE to try this cut:

When It's Sleepy Time Down South
Album: Portraits
Artist: Clark Terry

The trumpet images about four feet wide of the right speaker. I have the HD Tracks 24 bit download, but it works with the Google Music Play 320 mbps version, albeit not quite as well.
This isn't subtle, golden ear stuff; it's impossible NOT to hear it this way. Have fun!
 
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I couldn't find it on Tidal, but listened on Spotify. I've got several setups on a long wall and the adjacent short wall, so it was a lot of fun listening and comparing. K-horns on short wall, and DQ-10's pulled out into room from that same short wall, both had the trumpet full to the right of the stage, but not especially to the right of the right speaker. Altec 19's on the long wall were exactly as you describe, trumpet 4 or 5 feet to the right of right speaker.
I also listened to the Coryells' Sentenza Del Cuore - Allegra, with the castanets which are supposed to be good for testing depth with the castanets. On the 2 sets of speakers on the short wall, the castanets sound placed well back, but decidedly to the right side. One the Altecs, they are pretty much centered, and back.
I don't know what all this means, but it sure is fun trying to keep track of all these musicians roaming around the room.

Thanks, and if you've got any other examples like the one above, I'd appreciate hearing it.
 
Todd Dodds said:
I couldn't find it on Tidal, but listened on Spotify. I've got several setups on a long wall and the adjacent short wall, so it was a lot of fun listening and comparing. K-horns on short wall, and DQ-10's pulled out into room from that same short wall, both had the trumpet full to the right of the stage, but not especially to the right of the right speaker. Altec 19's on the long wall were exactly as you describe, trumpet 4 or 5 feet to the right of right speaker.
I also listened to the Coryells' Sentenza Del Cuore - Allegra, with the castanets which are supposed to be good for testing depth with the castanets. On the 2 sets of speakers on the short wall, the castanets sound placed well back, but decidedly to the right side. One the Altecs, they are pretty much centered, and back.
I don't know what all this means, but it sure is fun trying to keep track of all these musicians roaming around the room.

Thanks, and if you've got any other examples like the one above, I'd appreciate hearing it.
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I couldn’t find it on Tidal or Spotify. Can you post the Spotify share link?

- Woody
 
It usually brings up stuff as you type, but on this one it kept saying No Match right up until the last letter of Portaits was enterend, then it pulled it up.
I dunno...kind of a pain. Searching on Tidal is also frustrating.
 
I experienced that, when playing Quake (Darkplaces engine).

Kreshna said:
I was playing Quake, a first-person shooter computer game, using my JBL 120Tis and Yamaha RX-V663 in Virtual Cinema DSP mode (virtual surround with only a pair of speakers). I shot a grenade from my grenade launcher, then quickly turned to the right to avoid enemy fire. As such, I should heard the sound from my left, and indeed I did! The sound really came from my left, far from the outside of the left speaker! "Yeah, but you were using Yamaha Cinema DSP to extend soundstage width," one might say. Indeed, guilty as charged, but that's beside the point. The point is the 120Tis are capable to extend soundstage width wider than the speakers' position. Whether such width is genuinely originated from the source material or artificially created using DSP tricks is irrelevant, the point is the speakers are capable to do what the upstream components tell them to do.
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I've been experiencing imaging/soundstaging like that with the right recordings since 1976 when I bought my first pair of Magneplanars. The in store demo was the first time I'd heard that sort of a soundstage. In the dedicated room in my row house I routinely hear sounds that seem to come from my next door neighbors, on both sides. Of course, this is all recording dependent. IME some speakers are better at doing this than others.
 
20171123_230158.jpg I just tried it on my Heathkit console, which uses EV 12" woofers and Vifa tweeters, and it works! The phantom trumpet image is only about two feet to the right instead of four on this setup.
 
Sly and the family Stone's "I Want to Take You Higher" on the original Woodstock album has Sly using the PA system to engage the audience. With my Grace F8-L10' the PA Speaker appears way to the left of the front speakers, with the F8-C stylus in the F8-L10' cartridge body the PA speaker moves to wide left behind my left shoulder, very eerie.
 
Try Herbie Hancock “Dis is da Drum” - lots of tracks that have instruments you swear comes at you directly from the left (right?) during certain songs.
 
thomo57 said:
Roger waters Amused to death is one that does it for me.
Goodman Triaxiom in large folded horn cabinet
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That's an added effect they called Q sound. Another one was Bedini's B.A.S.E. signal processor used in a lot of recordings from music to movie sound track. It gave an eerie holographic presence which is quite profound. I bought one years ago out of curiosity but sold it once the novelty wore off. It got a bit fatiguing.
 
Roxy Music's "Avalon" CD always imaged outside of the speakers for me. A great sounding recording too. I wish it were still available on SACD, at a reasonable price! :confused:
 
on the Jimi Hendrix LP AXIS:bold as love...on the cut EXP...the flying saucer circles your head.
 
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