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I'm done chasing the illusion

In the past I have reached points where a particular system has gone as far as I am willing to take it, and its time to tear it down and move on. I think if you have been in this hobby long enough you reach that point from time to time. When this acquisition and cycling of gear becomes a drag its time to self reflect and look at what you have experienced so far, and what you have accomplished and what did not work well.

Its my opinion to start with what you need an audio system to do, and I dont mean functionality. What aspects of sound and playback is the most important to you, what are you unwilling to compromise. Since we work on a budget other priorities can be ranked down to what you are willing to sacrifice. That creates a blueprint of the types of components to consider.

Many of us look at the audio acquisition process and buy what is heavily discounted, what is a good deal, what we would like to experience just to know, and what we think we can flip if we don't like it. Very few of us do painstaking research into equipment that has a reputation of being "musical" or "satisfying" in the subjective sense for the long term. Sometimes we try to, but arent very committed to this approach. Also very few folks are willing to save and research and make a purchase of a cornerstone component. What could be an example of this? Well folks who buy large format Tannoy dual concentric speakers. Those who are willing to spend what can be a considerable sum on the better Sudgen amplifiers. Or perhaps Audionote and or CJ or ARC or Jeff Rowland.

Understand what you appreciate. Evaluate where you have been and what has worked well. Analyze the room and what it can support. Decide how complex you want the system to be. Quit scouring CL looking for that hidden gem, and research your components and if possible buy gently owned to maximize your buying power. Don't skimp on source and connecting wires. I would even throw power conditioning and power cords into the fray, but thats a hot button topic. Buy what emotionally satisfies those aspects of musical reproduction you value. Sell everything off and build the audio kitty, do the research, and then make well thought purchases. A system doesnt have to be perfect, but it has to reach out to you and fill your needs. It can be done, it may not be cheap but can be surprisingly affordable. Decide what you want out of this hobby, there are so many pathways to contentment, I do think there is one for you but you have to do some trip planning.

One more point. Sometimes its our mental state. This is difficult times we are in, and it will affect how we do things. Sometimes it places more emphasis on things that are in our "control" and we find fault when it isn't as dire as we make it out to be. Just a thought.

Cheers
Mister Pig
 
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I get it... I kind of feel that I might be getting there myself. It's easy for me to obsess about my audio setup and what I might need to improve it and yet at the end of the day, I have to admit that it sounds pretty good. I'm not quite feeling like I want to trade everything in for a Bluetooth speaker, but neither am I feeling like I won't be happy until I own a bunch of really high end gear that I know I can't afford. I can live with very good, if not quite superlative sound and an excellent record collection. For me it's really all about the music and I like to have lots of it around to keep me from getting bored with it. Hearing it in on a great quality system is a plus, but not really the #1 thing for me...

This really reflects my thoughts. I am probably classified thoroughly nice to good (maybe very good if I'm generous?) mid-fi, and I like to have the sound I like, but my ears probably aren't good enough to go too far up the chain, and the enjoyment I get from good music on a good system (all over the house as I have a few setups) is the sweet spot for me.
 
So get a bluetooth speaker, and listen to it for a while. I have a really decent one (a Dali Katch), which was a lot of fun for about a month. The convenience of having a tiny piece of gear that fills a room with music from an endless library is quite appealing. After some time though, you will understand if you can handle the compromise or not.
 
I put up an ad for he speakers and tube amp just today. I already have a buyer for the speakers, and he's 50% of the way towards the amp as well, to mate with a pair of Klipsch Forte. I have an old pair of OK speakers on top of cabinets over my desk playing through a small amp, just to provide background music, so I don't even need to invest any more $.

The whole experience of taking apart the system, getting pictures & putting up the ads has been very liberating.
 
Like other hobbies, find your level of involvement based passion and budget and enjoy the view from there.

For some, it is the chase. For some, it is the collection. For some, it is the novelty of continued change.

I'm pretty much settled as well with my systems and tend to have long term relationships with gear.
 
Like other hobbies, find your level of involvement based passion and budget and enjoy the view from there.

For some, it is the chase. For some, it is the collection. For some, it is the novelty of continued change.

I'm pretty much settled as well with my systems and tend to have long term relationships with gear.

That's just it man, I've done all that and I've become disillusioned with it all.
 
On a side note, I usually post on CL & FB marketplace. When I logged onto FB, I got a popup message stating my account was being frozen for 30 days because a post I made was in violation of the policies. I'm no angel, but I honestly can't think of anything I posted that would have been so egregious. Of course I would know if their system wasn't so poorly setup that it would actually show me the offending post and detail the violation. There is absolutely no way to get a message through to the powers that be, and when I access the help section and try to submit an inquiry, it tells me I can't because of the suspension.

Oh, but I can play games through FB messenger. :crazy:
 
I cannot imagine a day without enjoying music to soothe the soul. The gear is an important tool but secondary.

Right now I have a "lesser" setup running, just playing background music, and in this context, I am enjoying the music, and not stressing over the equipment.
 
. . . Between tinnitus and the constant "need" inside my head for critical listening, picking apart what my system is and isn't doing...It's a never ending cycle of disappointment & disillusionment.

I need to have music, but at this point I want to sell everything and just get a simple bluetooth speaker and call it a day.
My older brother and I have both done that with a Bose Wave music system (the little radio with cd player), though I also needed a turntable hooked up to mine. I first went to this nine or ten years ago when living in an apartment. I got highly enjoyable playback of lp's, cd's, mp3 files (on cd), am/fm radio, and, through the soundlink adapter, a wide variety of audio from my computer (streamed Netflix movies, NFL Game Rewind and Audio Pass, internet radio, downloaded music files, and more).

Once you've found the best spot to place the Wave music system, there really isn't any more fiddling to deal with, just choose your source and adjust the volume, and it sounds good whether played loudly or softly and from anywhere in the room (no "sweet spot" to stay glued to). No thoughts about how it could be better or consider trifling things like imaging, tonal balance, frequency extension, detail, etc--just put something on, and whether it be movies, music, ball games, radio shows, or whatever, you can just relax and appreciate what you're hearing.
 
I think all that is precisely the point to which the OP says enough is enough.

The thing with almost is that it's almost; but not quite.

But at this point I am close enough to be satisfied, and I've never been satisfied before.

You don't listen to the speakers. :no: You are immersed in the music. :music:
 
I put up an ad for he speakers and tube amp just today. I already have a buyer for the speakers, and he's 50% of the way towards the amp as well, to mate with a pair of Klipsch Forte. I have an old pair of OK speakers on top of cabinets over my desk playing through a small amp, just to provide background music, so I don't even need to invest any more $.

The whole experience of taking apart the system, getting pictures & putting up the ads has been very liberating.

Wow, you work fast !
I know that liberating feeling and Its a great feeling! It’s something that many may not understand when it comes to letting go of one’s gear.......but, there comes a time.

I got so liberated that after the audio stuff was gone, I liberated myself of much of my Camera equipment as well !
 
Wow, you work fast !
I know that liberating feeling and Its a great feeling! It’s something that many may not understand when it comes to letting go of one’s gear.......but, there comes a time.

I got so liberated that after the audio stuff was gone, I liberated myself of much of my Camera equipment as well !
I should have known better from the first response to the ad...he already backed out. As for camera gear, nope, that stays.
 
I've been in the game since the 70's and I just don't think I can do it anymore. Countless pieces of gear, hours spent piecing together and dollars spent - and I'm never satisfied. I though switching from SS to tubes was the answer, but to no avail. I could spend the rest of my days changing things and never be satisfied. Between tinnitus and the constant "need" inside my head for critical listening, picking apart what my system is and isn't doing...It's a never ending cycle of disappointment & disillusionment.

I need to have music, but at this point I want to sell everything and just get a simple bluetooth speaker and call it a day. Eff me

Sometimes simple is better. I can't remember if you had a sub in your system. If not, I would try borrowing one to try out before you hang up the towel (it makes that big of a difference in my experience).

If you want simple, turnkey and portable, I would recommend the JBL Extreme series bluetooth speaker. I bought a JBL Extreme 2 for my brother-in-law and it sounds amazing for the size and price and, being portable (rechargeable) is very handy.

If you don't need it to be portable, you can build your own simple system with a cheap Lepai of Nobsound amp, a $20 bluetooth receiver, small satellite speakers, and a small sub, and it becomes a stealth simple "never have to touch" system that sounds great. I did this in the kitchen and it sounds amazing for what it is. Inexpensive and no fiddling required once it's set up.
 
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Do you play an instrument? Playing along on my Kurzweil keyboard while listening to my average system is what keeps my interest up.
 
I got to hear Snell's A7 Illusion a few times. And that was one speaker I could have chased and caught. But even discounted to under $30,000, I had to walk away. But sometimes I feel that way about my system from the past. But with great recordings its fantastic. Its a shame the system reveals the short comings of so many recordings made either in the analog or digital format.
 
Well, I did my good deed for the day. I had gotten two responses to the ad for the speakers at the same time. The first guy said he was a go, much to the demise of the second person. First guy backed out, so I emailed the second guy to let him know. He was very excited to get them, but informed me he could not drive because he was recovering from a stroke. He lived close by, so I told him I would bring the speakers to his place, he could check them out, and if everything looked good, buy them.

He was waiting outside the house, and as he was walking to meet me at my car, I could see he was (understandably) having a hard time getting around. The speakers are fairly large & heavy, so I brought them inside for him. He checked them out, said he was grateful for the effort, and the deal was done.

Now I hope to sell the tube amp, and I'll be set.
 
Been there done that. This helps. Listen to your music on a really low-fi system for a week or so, then listen to the same music on your primary system, no illusion.
 
Well, I did my good deed for the day. I had gotten two responses to the ad for the speakers at the same time. The first guy said he was a go, much to the demise of the second person. First guy backed out, so I emailed the second guy to let him know. He was very excited to get them, but informed me he could not drive because he was recovering from a stroke. He lived close by, so I told him I would bring the speakers to his place, he could check them out, and if everything looked good, buy them.

He was waiting outside the house, and as he was walking to meet me at my car, I could see he was (understandably) having a hard time getting around. The speakers are fairly large & heavy, so I brought them inside for him. He checked them out, said he was grateful for the effort, and the deal was done.

Now I hope to sell the tube amp, and I'll be set.


Perhaps I missed it along the way. What tube amp do you have?
 
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