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I'm now a Zilch Fan

I had the pleasure of meeting Zilch today. Duffinator, his friend Coy (sp?) and we met at Zilch's when Duffy went to go pick up his Altec 604s.

I have to say I was very impressed or rather blown away with his custom JBLs. They were hands down the best speakers I've ever heard. And I do not say this lightly. They were in custom cabinets his friend John built. John, btw also used to build cabinets for the Grateful Dead. We also got to hear John's beautifully designed stage monitors he himself built. He is also a musician. The one of two, Zilch JBLs that we listened to had JBL compression drivers & horns, two 8 inch mids, coupled with 15 inch bass subs and custom cross-overs.

We listened to Little Feat, Indie.Arie, and Roger Waters. I was hearing things I did not know existed on those albums. It was like have the band in the same room. I know a lot of guys say that but the band was there! The drums on the Little Feat album, both Coy and I could hear the drum vibrations of the pedal. We could even hear the pick! The detail was absolutely mind blowing. The soundstage with Indie.Arie was just luscious. The string section on one of the Roger Water's tracks nearly brought me to my knees. Now I understand why Duffy wants some, because now so do I!

The guy who worked on one of Duffy's Altecs also agreed that Zilch speakers were very good. This is from a guy who is locally known for handcrafting violins and cellos. Talk about talent.

Zilch is an older gentleman and is rather soft spoken, easy going kinda guy with a great sense of humor. What further impressed me was his methodology when testing and building speakers and crossovers. Absolutely no guess work here. He is very deliberate and analytical. His rather large two garages, while cluttered looks like a JBL factory. With high drool factor speakers, parts and test equipment stuffed to the gills. He had enough original blue JBL grill cloth to easily cover several city blocks (no exaggeration). He definitely knows what he's talking about.

In the 4 hours I was there I learned more about speakers than I've ever known. He was generous, patient and thorough with his explanations. Not only did we get to hear the speakers but we could see how they responded when they were graphed and further graphed accounting for room acoustics. I even learned how to properly use my own simple spectrum analyzer just watching him.

Thanks Zilch I had fun!

Duffy you left to early. I picked up a load of really great vinyl at Amoeba and Rasputin! I probably would've bought more but the meter was running!

Carl
 
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Uh-oh, look out, Zilch! Everyone's going to want some speakers now!

Everyone: bring money.
 
Thanks for coming by, Carl. It's always a pleasure to make new friends and introduce enthusiasts to ZilchLab and the speaker design techniques I employ here.

We also measured Duff's refurbished 604Bs, and gave them the AutoEQ test. I'll be reporting the results of that work in his 604 thread.

I regret that I didn't have the presence of mind to take some pics of John's cool new stage monitors. They sure measured well, and sounded mighty good too boot, but then again, I DO have a bias. :p:

The development thread for those is posted on AK:

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123900

Here's a pic of the primary system the guys heard today:

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[Note gold Altec 811B horn on the floor behind, and that's Duff's favorite Zilch tower peekin' in at the right, there.... ;) ]
 

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Uh-oh, look out, Zilch! Everyone's going to want some speakers now!

Everyone: bring money.
Well, it's looking like there'll be a few more projects being reported here on AK soon. Carl and I are already "collaborating," and Duff's woofers are here being refoamed, so his custom Barzilays will be running soon. We also listened to my copies of Mxlews's project speakers today. :thmbsp:

I THINK John agreed to build boxes for my new "Make S99s into Towers" project, so y'all'll be seeing those here soon, as well.... :yes:
 
Fellas, those customs are really stunning looking.

If they sound as good as they look, I understand why everyone was impressed.
 
...We also listened to my copies of Mxlews's project speakers today. :thmbsp:

That's another thing that blew me away. I met Max when he came over to my place to pick up a Yamaha CA-810. He is like 15 and his dad has to drive him around. The kid has better sounding speakers than I do...well almost.

:D
 
Fellas, those customs are really stunning looking.

If they sound as good as they look, I understand why everyone was impressed.

To be honest I thought they looked kinda funky and unfinished. What can I say...I'm an artist and worse yet so is my wife. Need that wife stamp of approval!

:D
 
That's another thing that blew me away. I met Max when he came over to my place to pick up a Yamaha CA-810. He is like 15 and his dad has to drive him around. The kid has better sounding speakers than I do...well almost.

:D
I don't know how old Max actually is, but I recall noting that he built those beauties himself, including the crossovers, in a total of three weeks this summer. It was all I could do to keep up with him building mine. Outstanding job! :thmbsp:

To be honest I thought they looked kinda funky and unfinished. What can I say...I'm an artist and worse yet so is my wife. Need that wife stamp of approval!

:D
O.K., here's the WAF-certified version in JBL Monitor Blue, then:

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[Heh, heh.... :p: ]
 

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lol!

That won't do. She is nosey and is bound to peak under the JBL blue. Then what do I do?!

I would like to make something like the towers with a smaller footprint. Space is a concern too.

Btw...those links you sent, that's a lot of homework!

:D
 
Excellent thread Onepixel!

To those of you who are local to him, the Zilchster has to be a priceless asset to the hobby.

I wish i were a couple thousand miles closer so that i might bring a few toys and tunes to the Zilchlab for a listening frenzy.

I genuinely admire Zilch's generosity and willingness to educate and assist total strangers with no expectation of anything in return, there's not a lotta folks like that left these days.

Zilch, you're a fine steward of our hobby!:thmbsp:
 
Zilch is one of, if not the most willing to offer his time helping JBL fans. He will go out of his way to get the right answer.
A great friend!

Ron
 
I genuinely admire Zilch's generosity and willingness to educate and assist total strangers with no expectation of anything in return, there's not a lotta folks like that left these days.

That's not exactly true. I've found that Zilch has one thing he'd like in return. Don't stack identical speakers. ;)

Zilch, you're a fine steward of our hobby!:thmbsp:

Agreed! He definitely knows his schtuff, especially on the JBL front.

Good on ya, mate!

Ray
 
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It's funny how a single afternoon in Zilch labs can sober and inspire. The last 4 weeks for me have personally been a rush of enthusiasm. A teasing and sometimes frustrating depth of informative cyber-bytes... review of countless, considerate, clever and systematic implementation(s), just has an appeal that transcends basic hobby hype. To me, 'good' empirical science is truly an art gauged in 3 dimensions.. purposely lean on metaphysics...savory, but conservative, pragmatic good fun.

bottom line, each week has sounded better than the week prior.:music:

VTH
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That's another thing that blew me away. I met Max when he came over to my place to pick up a Yamaha CA-810. He is like 15 and his dad has to drive him around. The kid has better sounding speakers than I do...well almost.

:D

Damn right! :D I'm not what you call a "normal" teen.
 
Damn right! :D I'm not what you call a "normal" teen.

Hey Max,

I got to hear Zilch's clone of your speakers. Those speakers are so cool! Now I want one! But yours definitely have the cooler grill covers. Btw which compression drivers did you use?

Carl
 
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